SQ or LH in First Class ?
 

Just redeemed some miles and booked FRA-SIN in First.

Both segments are on LH. Wonder if I should search for available First on SQ. Which is the better First Class ? LH or SQ ?

Thanks for your replies ^

SQ F beats LH F any day, be it in service, seat comfort/space or entertainment system. It will be difficult though to find a reward seat in F on SQ but YMMV.

SQ is better in the air, LH better on the ground in FRA (the amazing FCT+car transfer to your a/c or just-as-nice FCL without the car transfer are off-limits when flying SQ). Why not do FRA-SIN on LH and SIN-FRA on SQ to compare (and get the best of everything)?

In the air, SQ wins by a long way. On the ground at FRA LH is best but there it ends. In SIN, there's little to choose on the ground. The food comes from the same kitchens for both flights, that's a matter of taste but I prefer SQ every time. For consistency and service SQ - LH depends too much on the crew you get on the day, can be great and can be dreadful.

Sound advice. The First Class Terminal at Frankfurt is something very special that really should be experienced. It is far superior to the SQ F lounge in Singapore. However, SQ offers suites, whereas LH offers 2 x 2 seating on the 747. You want both the LH on ground experience and the SQ in air experience - so chosing the carrier flying from its home airport is the way to go.

Exactly correct, best advice out there along with Kiwi Flyer!^

My mate and me flew first with LH from EZE to LHR via FRA. Thought it was a total waste of miles. First with them was so over rated. The food takes ages to come, generally a very slow service. I thought that TAP's business class was better flying from LHR-RIO via LIS.

Flew 2 years ago business with Singapore and that was fantastic, so I would think that first would be even better. Do yourself a favour and cancel that First ticket with them and try and get onto SIN...honestly...really not worth it!

Tried to get 2 First on SQ - nothing available. I guess I have to stick with LH. SQ in Business would be available. But SQ C is not better than LH F, is it ?

Have you considered say, TG in F? Or even LX?

No, it is not.

SQ C

• flat seat at an angle, 2 x 2 seating
• adequate food
• many business class passengers and appropriate FA attentiveness

LH F

• level flat seat, 2 x 2 seating
• good food
• few F class passengers (16 on 747) and greater FA attentiveness

I've never flown LH F but I don't see how it can be superior to SQ's. We recently took SQ F CDG-SIN (with the new seat on the 77W) on our recent RTW trip which was fabulous in almost all aspects and IMO it is overall still the best F product out there when the factors of seating, service, IFE, and catering are blended and summed in together.

This week I will be flying LH from FRA to LAX then SQ from LAX to NRT and NH from NRT to JFK all in first. Will report as to my opinions of these three major STAR players...

You must be kidding me..... :rolleyes:

I would alter this a bit

SQ C
Contoured lie flat at an angle seat
Good Food
Good attention from a highly consistent and well trained crew

LH F
Old fashioned level flat seat, no contouring possible
Adequate food, poor for F
Attention depends on the mood of the crew on the day, might be good, might be awful.

SQ's new C (which is available on the 10pm FRA-SIN) is definitely competitive with LH F, IMHO:

• Fully flat bed
• Private enclosed seat
• Good food
• 15" IFE screen

This is why everyone here agrees with you and says that SQ F is better than LH F in the air.

No not kidding....so disapointed with Lufthansa's first....!

SQ or LH from FRA to JFK?
 

hello,

I have just checked with the ana tool availability and I got one F-class seat either on LH *** (2 flights are aivalable) or on SQ 26 from FRA-JFK. So which one should I choose? When I fly LH I can use their F-terminal and all F-class service stuff. But which F-class is better regarding service, food, seat, ...:confused:

thx

Absolutely agree. Just took a flight ZRH-SIN on SQ with the new C. Beats most airlines in F!! Private seat, fully flat etc. Very charming and responding ladys, not so robotic as encountered with TG. These girls were even open to jokes and some chitchat.
Another FA, I didn't see her before, knew my name and seat when I ordered some snack in the galley.

As long as they have the new C seats I will trade any other airline F against SQ new C. Sorry LX, TG and LH, but no chance here.
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I second the advice to fly LH out of FRA and SQ out of Sin if u can. SQ is far better in general than LH, but I like to try differnet flights and airlines, especially out of their home airport. just my 3 cents!!

I second the idea of flying LH out for FRA. However, the only "better" thing on SQ is the seat. Food and staff is much about personal like or dislike. I simply prefer European style better than Asian touch. However, my first priority is to sleep on board. For that I would choose SQ.

How about the difference between LH F and LX F? I'm looking at flying the A340, with a 1-2-1 configuration for both carriers, as part of a RTW. Anyone with an outspoken opinion about which one is better?

After countless flights in LH F i deceided to try SQ C. SIN-SYD-SIN on the A380 and then SIN-FRA on the 777.

I was extremely positively surprised about SQ C. Yes, it is only C. Comparing the two this is my experience of SQ C:
- the attention of the flight attendants is not as good and personal, but still extremely good
+ despite serving many people the food service was quicker (allows more time to sleep) than on LH F
- the food is not as good as LH F, but not by a big margin. SQ had some good asian chioces.
+for the 380: The A380 is significantly less noisy than the 747/777.
o The SQ seats are somewhat unique: The back folds down into a bed which is a little small in the shoulder area, but long enough to sleep well (i am 1.80). The surface is fairly flat and does not have the bumps of normal seats/suites.
Also the surface is parallel to the floor and not angled. I slept very well.
- Disadvantage is: you have to get out of your seat, unfold/fold everything instead of just reclining your seat and sleep.
+ The privacy is much better than in LH F, especially on the 747

So my overall opinion about the product in the air:
The new SQ C is surprisingly good. When traveling alone the additional privacy outweighs the advantages of LH F (mainly the wider seat at shoulder level).

LH still has the far better product on the ground in FRA.

Save Miles and go SQ New 773 ER in C Class both ways^

http://youtube.com/watch?v=je8LBlwYJBw

You are using a lot of miles for a Cab to The aircraft and caviar

Have you ever flown LX F?

LX (and even TG) F products are definitely better than SQ's new C. No doubt. F is F after all...at least on the above mentioned carriers.

I agree that SQ's new C is the best C I've flown but I still prefer F on LX and TG (haven't tried LH so far).

Of course, my favorite is still SQ's (new) F ;).

To the OP: I suggest following the advices of Kiwi and SanDiego1K

Twist on the OP's original Query
 

Ok...variation on the OP's original question.

I'm currently booked in F on LH778, FRA>SIN. I'm connecting from SEA>FRA on an LH 330 in F.

My final destination is Bali, and I'm booked on the last flight of the day, at 7pm or so.

If I stick with this itinerary, I'll be in FRA, and thus the FCT, for 12 hours. However, if I take LH to LHR, I can catch SQ319 LHR>SIN, and arrive earlier enough to catch the 4pm flight to Bali.

Who would advise I stick to LH, the FRA FCT and a 12 hour layover, vs the extra hop to LHR, (4 hours in the VS clubhouse) SQ319 to SIN, and then MAYBE catching the 4pm SIN>DPS flight (if I don't, I wait 5 hours in SIN - in the C lounge).

How would weigh this choice?

FRA JFK in SQ F
 

I have never had the opportunity to take SQ in First, but mny times on LH. So I booked SQ 026/SQ025 F-Class next for month. Of course, I was intrigued by the new F-Class. But AFAIK this route is still without the suites, or am I in error here?

Having been twice to the FCT in the past couple of weeks, it is a nice lounge, but I would have to say that SQ F in the air beats LH F + FCT on the ground. Even though a Porsche to the plane is cool. :cool:

Only downside to the FRA-LHR-SIN plan above is the extra flight, meaning an extra chance for a missed connection.

Do note (and see my current trip report on IAD-FRA-SIN-DPS, http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=806069) that I personally would find 12 hours way too long in the First Class Terminal but as an arriving LH F passenger you're entitled to a day room at the Kempinski Hotel free of charge. Consider heading over there for your sleep/shower and then heading back to the FCT if you decide not to go for the extra flight and SQ F.

The flight is operated by a 747, which has the old seats. But they're a generation ahead of the LH F seats.

Finding award F seats on SQ with the new F is close to impossible. It has been done, but not often (other than using SQ miles and paying the premium).

Is it just me not looking through all the LX route inventories, but it seems that only a limited amount of their routes (I mean very limited) have F.

SQ319 is by far, my preffered and favorite among the 3 LHR flights. I have taken this flight many times in F and the timing for my body clock works best. It is the only ex-Europe flight that gets into SIN during the early afternoon hours. In your case you just have to weigh your options on how important it is for you to experience the VS CH versus the LH experience at FRA.

I agree. From SIN take SQ as LH offers no advantages. From FRA it depends on whether or not you prefer a fantastic lounge experience or a fantastic flight experience.

That's right. First Class is not offered on every LX longhaul destination but still on most of them.

All the A340 are 3 class config while the A330 are either 2 or 3 class config.

First class is offered on:
LAX, ORD, JFK, SIN, BKK, PVG, NRT, HKG, SIN, JNB, TLV, CAI, DXB, MCT, JED, RUH, SCL, GRU

2 class only:
YUL, MIA, BOS, DAR, YAO, DLA, NBO, TLV, BOM

Thanks gleff,

I booked it through my TA to collect miles (and enjoy the ride). Just found out that this route neither offers suites (my bad, it´s only on the 380 which I should have remembered) nor the new first. I am looking forward to sampling the experience nevertheless.

off-shore, I am sure you will enjoy SQ-F. I have tried F in SQ/LH/TG and BA. In terms of in-flight service SQ is better than TG which is better than LH and way better than BA--IMHO ( of course BA was a few years back). TG was in the New F. If you are in SQ F, suggest you Book the Cook from the menu and enjoy the flight.

FCT might be excellent, but I would rather spend 13 hours in the air on SQ enjoying the in-air experience rather than flying on LH and wishing I'd changed the flight to SQ ;)

Besides, if you fly SEA (F) FRA (C) LHR (F) SIN, you get to use the FCL at FRA which I feel is a small enough sacrifice for the much better inflight experience on the long, long flight.

Isn't the LH board divided over whether it's possible to visit the FCT when flying into FRA in F and continuing in C? You could potentially do the LHR transit and achieve everything you wanted, including the FCT access!

The nicest touch in FCT is the smoker´s lounge (for those of us that haven´t quit the habit) and the food to order from the menu. You cannot bet on the ride in a Porsche - last time they put me in a Mecedes van, thanks a lot :confused:

So, if you are a non-smoker and have your own nice car at home, I assume SQ´s the way to go, right?

After consideration, I realized that it was most important to arrive at my destination as quickly as possible. I'm able to accomplish this flying SEA>FRA on LH, FRA>ZRH on LX, then ZRH>SIN on SQ which gets me in early morning, allowing the earliest possible connection to Bali.

The East bound journey to Bali is only taking about 4 hours longer than the west bound. If we stuck around FRA, or transited to LHR, this would be more like 8-16 hours later than SEA>SFO>SIN>DPS.

Were you able to redeem ex ZRH? It's on the new 77W and you shouldn't be allowed to. Good if you got your seat!

I don't think this is an award ticket.