Sample RTW Itins
#16
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: SEA
Posts: 807
As an interloper from the other side (but possibly just the other side of town) I might mention that the Oneworld Explorer RTW doesn't have any mileage limits, just segment count and per-continent limits. It might work better for you given you'd like to do some surface segments or a bunch of open-jaws.
One other element to consider about a premium-class ticket instead of coach is the ability to accrue a ton of miles for future use. On the OWE for instance, with elite bonuses, the lack of a mileage limit means you can usually leverage an award RTW out of a paid one. Probably hard to achieve the same on a Star, Skyteam or single/multi-line RTW (like UA/EK) but the cost/benefit ratio is still worth considering when you think about spreading the cost differential (between Y and J) over the course of a year's travels.
One other element to consider about a premium-class ticket instead of coach is the ability to accrue a ton of miles for future use. On the OWE for instance, with elite bonuses, the lack of a mileage limit means you can usually leverage an award RTW out of a paid one. Probably hard to achieve the same on a Star, Skyteam or single/multi-line RTW (like UA/EK) but the cost/benefit ratio is still worth considering when you think about spreading the cost differential (between Y and J) over the course of a year's travels.
But, since we won't be going for another 1.5 years (it takes awhile to save up for a year long trip), I was debating taking the AA challenge for this reason...
#17
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Generally PHX
Programs: UA 1K, AA EXP, TG Gold, Starwood Gold, Marriott Gold
Posts: 413
Hi,
I fall in the above mentioned third category --> whenever i have to go to an unusual place for work, i realize that i can get much better deals with RTW then a point to point fare. And then, i work to combine multiple work related trips into one and take a break somewhere in-between. I think i have done 3 RTWs so far, and one more is coming up soon, and looks like I will be doning one every year
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1. KTM-BKK-SIN-AKL-WLG-AKL-NAN-LAX-OAK-ORD-BOS-IAD-MAN-CPH-ARN-VIE-KTM
(carriers were TG, SQ, NZ, UA, BD, SK and OS).
2. KTM-BKK-SIN-JNB-(MPM)-JNB-FRA-AMS-ARN-ORD-DTW-ORD-SFO-SEA-ORD-NYC-BKK-KTM
(Carriers were TG, SQ, LH, SK, and UA.
( MPM was not on the RTW, but was the reason i ended up doing the RTW. This was before SA joined. )
3. KTM-BKK-LAX-SFO-MUC-IST-VIE-FRA-BKK-KTM
(Carriers were TG, UA, LH and OS).
I think you notice that KTM and SFO/OAK are the common on all of the above - as i work between the two places. So, any unusual routing that costs higher then a RTW, generally ends up in a RTW (and originates in KTM, as it's cheaper there).
good luck.
I fall in the above mentioned third category --> whenever i have to go to an unusual place for work, i realize that i can get much better deals with RTW then a point to point fare. And then, i work to combine multiple work related trips into one and take a break somewhere in-between. I think i have done 3 RTWs so far, and one more is coming up soon, and looks like I will be doning one every year
.1. KTM-BKK-SIN-AKL-WLG-AKL-NAN-LAX-OAK-ORD-BOS-IAD-MAN-CPH-ARN-VIE-KTM
(carriers were TG, SQ, NZ, UA, BD, SK and OS).
2. KTM-BKK-SIN-JNB-(MPM)-JNB-FRA-AMS-ARN-ORD-DTW-ORD-SFO-SEA-ORD-NYC-BKK-KTM
(Carriers were TG, SQ, LH, SK, and UA.
( MPM was not on the RTW, but was the reason i ended up doing the RTW. This was before SA joined. )
3. KTM-BKK-LAX-SFO-MUC-IST-VIE-FRA-BKK-KTM
(Carriers were TG, UA, LH and OS).
I think you notice that KTM and SFO/OAK are the common on all of the above - as i work between the two places. So, any unusual routing that costs higher then a RTW, generally ends up in a RTW (and originates in KTM, as it's cheaper there).
good luck.
#18
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: SEA
Posts: 807
One other question I had was whether you could upgrade a paid RTW ticket with miles. My guess is no, or that you can only do it on individual segments and only with other carriers in the upgrade program. Does anybody have any insight on that?
#19
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Generally PHX
Programs: UA 1K, AA EXP, TG Gold, Starwood Gold, Marriott Gold
Posts: 413
I have upgraded the TG segments on RTWs using the Gold upgrade and b'day upgrades. I guess that means- you'd be able to upgrade individual segments only. sometimes, airlines have fixed rates for upgrades on certain routes and it may work out to be cheaper to upgrade that way as well.
thanks
#21
Moderator, Hilton Honors



Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: on a short leash
Programs: some
Posts: 71,445
No different to any other ticket. You can upgrade subject to operating airline, fare classes, availability, mileage/vouchers etc.
#22




Join Date: Sep 2005
Programs: AC MM E50 , Former SPG, now Marriott LT Plat
Posts: 6,698
There is a third group:
Business people who realize they can often get a RTW fare cheaper that a round trip in J to a single destination who then "lump" several trips in to one to maximize their travel budget. For example, if you have business in Europe and Asia rather than booking several round trips you combine them and do one RTW itinerary.
Business people who realize they can often get a RTW fare cheaper that a round trip in J to a single destination who then "lump" several trips in to one to maximize their travel budget. For example, if you have business in Europe and Asia rather than booking several round trips you combine them and do one RTW itinerary.
I often travel on this itinerary ( or a variation thereof):
TPE-CGK-SIN-BKK-FRA-YYZ-PVG-HGH-ICN-TPE
It is cheaper than buying round trip from YYZ ( my point of origin)
to PVG/ICN/HGH/TPE/CGK/SIN/BKK - which are my business destinations.
#23


Join Date: Jul 2005
Programs: Starwood Gold ne Platinum; AA Plat.
Posts: 483
Difficulty of getting First Class seats on revenue RTW ticket
I'm not really sure of the best forum in which to post, since I've looked at a lot of RTW threads and haven't found an answer to my question, so here goes: If I book a First Class RTW ticket on the Star Alliance (or any alliance, for that matter), how much difficulty will I have in securing First Class seats (or the equivalent) on my various flights? For example, when I booked my honeymoon, I was able to get First Class seats for my wife and myself on Air Tahiti Nui using American miles, but it required my calling roughly 330 days in advance. My question is, how much easier is it when I purchase a RTW ticket for $$, rather than miles? That is, if there are two First Class seats open on a given flight that's part of the Star Alliance (or whatever alliance I end up flying on), can I get those seats? Or are there different classes of seats within First Class such that I might or might not be able to get an open First Class seat? Thanks very much for the help, and if a moderator thinks this should be part of either another forum or a separate thread, feel free to move it.
JG
JG
#24




Join Date: Sep 2005
Programs: AC MM E50 , Former SPG, now Marriott LT Plat
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There are some restrictions ( A class vs F class), but I have never had
any difficulty in booking revenue RTW flights. The bigger nuisance is
the increasing number of routes where F is not offered - only business
class.
any difficulty in booking revenue RTW flights. The bigger nuisance is
the increasing number of routes where F is not offered - only business
class.
#25
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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*A RTWs in first class generally use booking class A (same as discounted first class) and may be further capacity restricted by the airlines on certain routes.
So just because an airline is still selling first class seats does not mean necessarily there are any available for purchase as part of a RTW. And of course on some airlines, certain routes/flights sell out in first class - sometimes well ahead. In general there should be better availability than first class award seats however.
So just because an airline is still selling first class seats does not mean necessarily there are any available for purchase as part of a RTW. And of course on some airlines, certain routes/flights sell out in first class - sometimes well ahead. In general there should be better availability than first class award seats however.
#26


Join Date: Jul 2005
Programs: Starwood Gold ne Platinum; AA Plat.
Posts: 483
Thank you for the two replies. I'd be curious if anyone who has booked revenue RTW tickets could give me a sense of their experience in doing so, and particularly how far in advance they booked their tickets (understanding, of course, that each RTW itinerary is unique). Thanks.
#27
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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My RTWs tend to be in business class (best value for money IMO and avoids the problem of dwindling routes offering decent first class). I've ticketed anywhere from 11 months ahead to just a week or so. Although even ones bought at short notice I've tended to booked the bones (prime routes) earlier to lock in availability.
I have had RTWs that I have had to do major rerouting for when a key route failed to clear a waitlist over many months (despite having high status). The hardest routes for availability are generally well known on FT.
I have had RTWs that I have had to do major rerouting for when a key route failed to clear a waitlist over many months (despite having high status). The hardest routes for availability are generally well known on FT.
#28


Join Date: Jul 2005
Programs: Starwood Gold ne Platinum; AA Plat.
Posts: 483
My RTWs tend to be in business class (best value for money IMO and avoids the problem of dwindling routes offering decent first class). I've ticketed anywhere from 11 months ahead to just a week or so. Although even ones bought at short notice I've tended to booked the bones (prime routes) earlier to lock in availability.
I have had RTWs that I have had to do major rerouting for when a key route failed to clear a waitlist over many months (despite having high status). The hardest routes for availability are generally well known on FT.
I have had RTWs that I have had to do major rerouting for when a key route failed to clear a waitlist over many months (despite having high status). The hardest routes for availability are generally well known on FT.
#29
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: London
Programs: BA Silver
Posts: 540
As an interloper from the other side (but possibly just the other side of town) I might mention that the Oneworld Explorer RTW doesn't have any mileage limits, just segment count and per-continent limits. It might work better for you given you'd like to do some surface segments or a bunch of open-jaws.
One other element to consider about a premium-class ticket instead of coach is the ability to accrue a ton of miles for future use. On the OWE for instance, with elite bonuses, the lack of a mileage limit means you can usually leverage an award RTW out of a paid one. Probably hard to achieve the same on a Star, Skyteam or single/multi-line RTW (like UA/EK) but the cost/benefit ratio is still worth considering when you think about spreading the cost differential (between Y and J) over the course of a year's travels.
One other element to consider about a premium-class ticket instead of coach is the ability to accrue a ton of miles for future use. On the OWE for instance, with elite bonuses, the lack of a mileage limit means you can usually leverage an award RTW out of a paid one. Probably hard to achieve the same on a Star, Skyteam or single/multi-line RTW (like UA/EK) but the cost/benefit ratio is still worth considering when you think about spreading the cost differential (between Y and J) over the course of a year's travels.
The OneWorld board will provide you with tons of information on possible routings, best prices to buy and the rules etc...
I see your US-based, assuming you would look to put your miles into the AAdvantage programme you would be at least Platinum (mid-tier) by the time you return. This gives 100% bonus on all flights, along with priority check-in and lounge access (when travelling internationally) when flying any class on any OW partner airline.
Last year I backpacked with the aid of a DONE5 not only travelling in complete comfort but I purchased the ticket ex-CAI when the prices were cheap and amassed a stack of miles that in terms of redemption will be worth more than the ticket. Cant beat that for total value.
#30




Join Date: Sep 2005
Programs: AC MM E50 , Former SPG, now Marriott LT Plat
Posts: 6,698
Thank you for the two replies. I'd be curious if anyone who has booked revenue RTW tickets could give me a sense of their experience in doing so, and particularly how far in advance they booked their tickets (understanding, of course, that each RTW itinerary is unique). Thanks.
Of course, since I ticket mine starting in Asia, and I live in North America,
they usually include 3-4 month "stop-over" in my home town, so the
"return" portions from N.A. to Asia usually end up being changed and
re-ticketed as well.


