Maximum 15 Segments?
Apr 10, 2001 | 9:29 am
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Maximum 15 Segments?
In the following example only - how many segments are flown?
JFK
United to Heathrow
LHR
Own transport (EG Eurostar) to Paris
CDG
Singapore airways to Singapore
SIN
Singapore airways back to New York (via change of plane in LAX)
JFK
These airlines probably don't fly these routes in reality. Is this 4 segments?
I know the surface milage is counted from the maximum allowed under the fare but does it also count as one of the 15 segments?
Or do they say you took three 'sets' of flights so three segments used?
Julian
JFK
United to Heathrow
LHR
Own transport (EG Eurostar) to Paris
CDG
Singapore airways to Singapore
SIN
Singapore airways back to New York (via change of plane in LAX)
JFK
These airlines probably don't fly these routes in reality. Is this 4 segments?
I know the surface milage is counted from the maximum allowed under the fare but does it also count as one of the 15 segments?
Or do they say you took three 'sets' of flights so three segments used?
Julian
Apr 10, 2001 | 9:55 am
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the surface segment counts as a segment
for the rest, the rtw-ticket-rule is not really for segments but about stop-overs (I always have more than 15 segments, but never 15 stop-overs).
for the rest, the rtw-ticket-rule is not really for segments but about stop-overs (I always have more than 15 segments, but never 15 stop-overs).
Apr 10, 2001 | 9:58 am
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I think the rule is actually, 15 stopovers (allowing 16 'segments'). I don't think connections count in that rule--though I could be wrong.
Accordingly, you have three stopovers here: LON, PAR and SIN. (The minimum required).
Accordingly, you have three stopovers here: LON, PAR and SIN. (The minimum required).
Apr 10, 2001 | 10:44 am
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Unlimited segments*
up to 15 STOPS (more than 4 hours domestic, more than 24 international)
*confirmed by UA1K desk that you can go back and forth between the same city pair forever...as long as you don't stop
up to 15 STOPS (more than 4 hours domestic, more than 24 international)
*confirmed by UA1K desk that you can go back and forth between the same city pair forever...as long as you don't stop
Apr 10, 2001 | 11:23 am
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OK - looks like my nomenclature is causing confusion.
I think you are allowed a maximum of 15 STOP (or stopovers).
Does this mean that my example was three stops or four? (LHR, CDG, SIN, JFK). The LHR -> CDG hardly seems like a stopover.
Julian
I think you are allowed a maximum of 15 STOP (or stopovers).
Does this mean that my example was three stops or four? (LHR, CDG, SIN, JFK). The LHR -> CDG hardly seems like a stopover.
Julian
Apr 10, 2001 | 11:29 am
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4 SEGMENTS
1 STOP (LHR-CDG)
You don't indicate stopping at any other aircraft changes so to us you only have 1 so far. BUT, so far it means LHR-CDG is an 8 day stop as you MUST travel for >=10 days on an RTW.
Dorian
1 STOP (LHR-CDG)
You don't indicate stopping at any other aircraft changes so to us you only have 1 so far. BUT, so far it means LHR-CDG is an 8 day stop as you MUST travel for >=10 days on an RTW.
Dorian
Apr 10, 2001 | 8:21 pm
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So can you do the Baht Pass with one Star RTW and make top tier on a few airlines? (like, 300 segments or so) You can even do it in business class! (and it won't cost very much...)
I'm assuming that the definition of a stopover is a stay less than 24hrs, of course.
I'm assuming that the definition of a stopover is a stay less than 24hrs, of course.
Apr 10, 2001 | 10:27 pm
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In case of a surface it counts as one stopover but either city will be counted as "once stopped", so you are not allowed to have another stopover in Paris or London. It's quite strange but those are the rules.
Apr 10, 2001 | 11:26 pm
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Dorian,
and stargold,
Quite interesting!
Though Star RTW has total mileage limit, Baht Pass can well fit within it.
Interesting...
*confirmed by UA1K desk that you can go back and forth between the same city pair forever...as long as you don't stop
So can you do the Baht Pass with one Star RTW and make top tier on a few airlines?
Though Star RTW has total mileage limit, Baht Pass can well fit within it.
Interesting...
Apr 10, 2001 | 11:36 pm
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The theory was 'developed' either here or in the AC forum...to do YVR-YYJ (Vancouver - Victoria, BC), about a 25 minute flight...over and over and over...then complete your RTW.
UA1K desk confirmed this is totally legal (not to me, to another interested party whom I spoke on the phone with).
We think the problem will be ticketing the thing. I mean...who in the world is gonna want to ticket that?!?!?
We know it is legal...but do you want to do that flight endlessly??! Imagine if some of your flights were cancelled...all those changes...wow!
Dorian
UA1K desk confirmed this is totally legal (not to me, to another interested party whom I spoke on the phone with).
We think the problem will be ticketing the thing. I mean...who in the world is gonna want to ticket that?!?!?
We know it is legal...but do you want to do that flight endlessly??! Imagine if some of your flights were cancelled...all those changes...wow!
Dorian
Apr 10, 2001 | 11:47 pm
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Thanks, Dorian.
It's already confirmed legal...great.
Ticketing and trouble hassles...it also applies on Baht Pass, right?
Does someone want to do that? I guess it highly depends on that person's degree of craziness
(I'm sure I have some )
It's already confirmed legal...great.
Ticketing and trouble hassles...it also applies on Baht Pass, right?
Does someone want to do that? I guess it highly depends on that person's degree of craziness
(I'm sure I have some )
I mean...I am crazy and all...but not that crazy!!
Apr 11, 2001 | 1:26 am
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More info about the LAX-SNA and YVR-YVJ runs on a * RTW ticket http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum82/HTML/000318.html