How solvent is A3?
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 101
How solvent is A3?
Hi All,
I'm Contemplating about becoming a FF with A3 but given the recent and ongoing financial turmoil in Greece I'm hesitant. Anyone willing their to share their insights on how solvent and financially secure is A3?
from the Miles&bonus page:
In the event of AEGEAN’s bankruptcy, insolvency, merger or winding up in any manner, the Programme shall be automatically cancelled and at the same time all Accounts and Status Miles shall be cancelled. Consequently AEGEAN shall have no further liability towards its Members, whereas the Members shall have no right to pursue any claim against AEGEAN.
Thanks.
I'm Contemplating about becoming a FF with A3 but given the recent and ongoing financial turmoil in Greece I'm hesitant. Anyone willing their to share their insights on how solvent and financially secure is A3?
from the Miles&bonus page:
In the event of AEGEAN’s bankruptcy, insolvency, merger or winding up in any manner, the Programme shall be automatically cancelled and at the same time all Accounts and Status Miles shall be cancelled. Consequently AEGEAN shall have no further liability towards its Members, whereas the Members shall have no right to pursue any claim against AEGEAN.
Thanks.
#3
Moderator: Asiana & Qantas Frequent Flyer




Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: STR/SYD/SMF
Programs: QF LTG / P1 , LH LT SEN / HON, OZ LT Diamond +, Marriott LT PT, HH Diamond,
Posts: 15,157
Which means the German tax payer.
But yes, solvency is one thing one should have in mind when joining a Frequent Flyer program. This is why many people don't bank US miles for too long and this is a good thing to do with any carrier. Earn miles, spend miles. Quickly.
But yes, solvency is one thing one should have in mind when joining a Frequent Flyer program. This is why many people don't bank US miles for too long and this is a good thing to do with any carrier. Earn miles, spend miles. Quickly.
#4
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Washington, DC USA
Programs: UA; Amtrak
Posts: 2,002
- The provision you quote will be found in every airline's program.
- The solvency of A3 has about as much to do with the finances of Greece as the solvency of UA has to do with the finances of the US or JL with Japan's there is correlation, but not causation.
- Plenty of airlines have undergone reorganization or liquidation but had their mileage programs preserved or acquired by another. Other airlines have done the same and had their mileage program disappear into oblivion. There's absolutely no way of knowing what might happen in an A3 bankruptcy, but A3 seems like a relatively healthy airline.
#5




Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Heraklion, Greece
Posts: 7,965
http://www.aviationexplorer.com/defu..._worldwide.htm
This is a site that lists bankrupt airlines from all-over the world. In addition to tens of US companies, the site lists 18 Australian ones and 44 German ones. As a matter of fact, I've flown on some of the "late" airlines, such as Arista, Braniff, Eastern, Panam, People Express and TWA (US) and several more from other countries. In addition, I lost a lot of money that I had invested in a safe, super-safe bond: Lehman Bros! The latter statement has nothing to do with frequent flying programmes, but that's the same for most of the previous posts!
Most questions of joining A3's programme in FT would not have come up, if Miles and Bonus hadn't been tailored mostly for Greek travelers. Now, though, people throughout the world are taking advantage of it's easy track for gold membership in order, basically, to use the tier's privileges without paying much. This sort of reminds me of the Greek economy or, at least, what Greece as a country is accused of having done!
And in case you didn't understand, I am Greek, I am not a thief, and I now earn 20% than last year in order for my government (my employer) to pay for our debt.
This is a site that lists bankrupt airlines from all-over the world. In addition to tens of US companies, the site lists 18 Australian ones and 44 German ones. As a matter of fact, I've flown on some of the "late" airlines, such as Arista, Braniff, Eastern, Panam, People Express and TWA (US) and several more from other countries. In addition, I lost a lot of money that I had invested in a safe, super-safe bond: Lehman Bros! The latter statement has nothing to do with frequent flying programmes, but that's the same for most of the previous posts!
Most questions of joining A3's programme in FT would not have come up, if Miles and Bonus hadn't been tailored mostly for Greek travelers. Now, though, people throughout the world are taking advantage of it's easy track for gold membership in order, basically, to use the tier's privileges without paying much. This sort of reminds me of the Greek economy or, at least, what Greece as a country is accused of having done!
And in case you didn't understand, I am Greek, I am not a thief, and I now earn 20% than last year in order for my government (my employer) to pay for our debt.
#6
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 101
To clarify, my post was not intended to disparage Greece but to ask, in my opinion, a valid question whether it is judicious to join the FFP of a carrier operating in an economically-shaky environment.
Can someone point to a solid economic review of A3's financial standings?.
Can someone point to a solid economic review of A3's financial standings?.
#7


Join Date: May 2003
Location: CLT
Programs: OZ Diamond, BA slvr, Bonvoy Titanium, HH Gold
Posts: 4,487
To clarify, my post was not intended to disparage Greece but to ask, in my opinion, a valid question whether it is judicious to join the FFP of a carrier operating in an economically-shaky environment.
Can someone point to a solid economic review of A3's financial standings?.
Can someone point to a solid economic review of A3's financial standings?.
http://en.aegeanair.com/Content.aspx?Page=116
http://en.aegeanair.com/TABContent.aspx?Code=2009OK
#8



Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Tasmania, Australia
Programs: M&M SEN, Amex Plat, Marriott, HHonors & Accor Gold, Velocity Silver, Qantas Bronze
Posts: 3,813
Our financial performance continues to be adversely affected by the severe recession of the Greek economy.
#9
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Point Place, Wisconsin
Programs: LH HON, BA Gold, EK Gold
Posts: 14,508
End of September 2010 they held ca. €171 million in cash.
Cash is key.
It's not a shame to lose money - it's a shame to run out of money.
http://en.aegeanair.com/aegeanCMS/up...es_9M10_en.pdf
Cash is key.
It's not a shame to lose money - it's a shame to run out of money.
http://en.aegeanair.com/aegeanCMS/up...es_9M10_en.pdf
#10
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: 1K or FCL
Programs: *A GOLD, EL AL PLATINUM, ONEWORLD*SAPPHIRE, ACCOR CLUB PLATINUM, Human Race Platinum for life
Posts: 582
Does anyone have any experience of getting miles credited to their Miles and Bonus account of A3?
Retro-active crediting?
Retro-active crediting?
#11
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 6
You can add flights of up to 6 months prior to the registration to M&B. There is a link when logged in, "Claim air miles" or similar and it's pretty easy, just make sure you mail to the email given the e-ticket/receipt info of your flight as well.

