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Mwenenzi Aug 3, 2024 3:19 pm


Originally Posted by psfailte (Post 36426847)
Thank you! I appreciate that. Was wondering if AA would be best for one world as well. Most of the flights to US would be from/to AMM and per my experience, intl carriers aren't as flexible on changes/cancellations.

Hoping the others will chime in on *A recommendations.

The airline you fly and the airline frequent program you credit those flights to do not need to be the same.

psfailte Aug 3, 2024 3:29 pm


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 36426910)
The airline you fly and the airline frequent program you credit those flights to do not need to be the same.

Thank you. Yes, I understood that. Was just wondering if there are any recommendations for a *A ffp to credit to for middle east flights per my original post. That's not a region that I'm familiar with but am recently based here.

Daner Aug 4, 2024 9:04 am

My situation is very similar to the one described by Nander previously but with a few specific differences.

(1) What is your home airport?
Stockholm, ARN

(2) What types of fares do you usually buy?
Intra-Europe Y, Transatlantic W (with point-based upgrades to J)

(3) How many miles do you usually fly each year?
At least 25k-50k

(4) Do you have any kind of status at present? What is it?
SAS Eurobonus Gold (will be lifetime in April 2025, so I have lots of experience within *A, but SAS is switching to SkyTeam at the end of August)

(5) What is most important to you in a FFP? (Frequent upgrades on travel, priority services when flying the airline, good award redemption rates, free lounge access, etc.)
The #1 priority is the ability and ease of retaining fast-track security and lounge access, whether through Star Gold or other means.
Ideally, I want a scheme where I can earn status no matter which *airline I'm flying on (including no requirement that X number of flights per year are on a specific carrier).


(6) Which routes do you fly most often? (US Domestic, Transpacific, etc.)
Intra-Europe (primarily Spain, Italy, and Portugal)
Inter-continental (primarily transatlantic to USA)


(7) Preferred Airlines
I'm fairly agnostic. Because SK has historically been within *A, a significant share has been LH group and TAP (in addition to SK) for intra-Europe and UA and AS for connecting travel in North America. With SK switching to SkyTeam, I'll likely fly more Delta/KLM to PDX and European destinations as appropriate.

(8) Do you travel for work or pleasure? (Can you choose your airline and class of service?)
It's a pretty even split. I can choose airlines, subject to there not being a significant price differential. For business travel, I always choose fully refundable tickets and premium economy for anything > 4 hours.

Busyx2 Aug 12, 2024 2:07 pm

Hi, I have been Eva Air *Gold and just got renewed for another 2 years, I wonder I should take this period to accumulate miles on a better program as it is challenging to keep 80K miles/24 months and the redemption deals from Eva is not good.



(1) What is your home airport?
SFO

(2) What types of fares do you usually buy?
Q, Y, W

(3) How many miles do you usually fly each year?
25K to 50K

(4) Do you have any kind of status at present? What is it?
Eva (BR) *G

(5) What is most important to you in a FFP? (Frequent upgrades on travel, priority services when flying the airline, good award redemption rates, free lounge access, etc.)
Fast track check-in and gate access, extra luggage. I have Priority Pass, so lounge access good to have and enjoyable but not the #1 concern.

(6) Which routes do you fly most often? (US Domestic, Transpacific, etc.)
SFO to German (LH, UA)
SFO to Asia (Majority with UA and EVA, at most 1 trip per year ANA, SQ)

(7) Preferred Airlines
By choice - Eva, ANA, SQ, LH, UA
Actual usage - UA = LH > EVA > SQ > ANA

(8) Do you travel for work or pleasure? (Can you choose your airline and class of service?)
Mostly for work. Company policy - Economy only.

cfischer Sep 1, 2024 1:24 am


Originally Posted by Busyx2 (Post 36447647)
Hi, I have been Eva Air *Gold and just got renewed for another 2 years, I wonder I should take this period to accumulate miles on a better program as it is challenging to keep 80K miles/24 months and the redemption deals from Eva is not good.



(1) What is your home airport?
SFO

(2) What types of fares do you usually buy?
Q, Y, W

(3) How many miles do you usually fly each year?
25K to 50K

(4) Do you have any kind of status at present? What is it?
Eva (BR) *G

(5) What is most important to you in a FFP? (Frequent upgrades on travel, priority services when flying the airline, good award redemption rates, free lounge access, etc.)
Fast track check-in and gate access, extra luggage. I have Priority Pass, so lounge access good to have and enjoyable but not the #1 concern.

(6) Which routes do you fly most often? (US Domestic, Transpacific, etc.)
SFO to German (LH, UA)
SFO to Asia (Majority with UA and EVA, at most 1 trip per year ANA, SQ)

(7) Preferred Airlines
By choice - Eva, ANA, SQ, LH, UA
Actual usage - UA = LH > EVA > SQ > ANA

(8) Do you travel for work or pleasure? (Can you choose your airline and class of service?)
Mostly for work. Company policy - Economy only.

If you can keep SAG with that little flying with BR ... stick with that IMO. Other airlines will be more difficult to get/maintain status. I mean if you are really buying full fare Y tickets then consider UA as well - $10k or $8k with segments gets your SAG and while folks are complaining that UA redemptions have deteriorated (which they have) they still represent decent value.

goodgirl Sep 2, 2024 2:54 pm

I'd like to get myself some *A status.
 
I'd like to get myself some *A status.

I am a flexible traveller, actively scanning the premium fare deals forum for business class fares on OW and *A. Going to reach CX Gold / OW Sapphire this year and it looks like I will manage to get some *A status as well.
I have already accumulated some business class flights on ANA and some Eco flights on SQ with blank bp, ready to retro-claim, see below:
Spoiler
 

I'm considering to retro-claim them to TK Miles & Smiles, already have an account without any activity there.
I have one family member with the exact same flights, so if the program allows combining miles to make redemption bookings, I guess it would be an advantage.
I don't know if any other programs allow this and my question is if TK would be the best program to retro-claim the past flights?

Apart from TK I also have existing accounts with LH, SQ, TG and United, only LH has some miles in it, but no status miles.
Should I sign up for any other program as well for future flights?

(1) What is your home airport? (SFO, LAX, MCO, etc.)
HKT (having TG lounge access here would be nice to have, but can always use the PP lounge otherwise)
(2) What types of fares do you usually buy ? (C, F, Y, etc.)
Business for flights over 4h if price is right, Economy or Business on shorter flights
(3) How many miles do you usually fly each year? (<25K, 25k-50k, >50k)
30-50k on *A
(4) Do you have any kind of status at present? What is it? (UA Silver, M&M Senator etc)
none on *A
(5) What is most important to you in a FFP? (Frequent upgrades on travel, priority services when flying the airline, good award redemption rates, free lounge access, etc.)
lounge access, extra luggage, priority boarding group in the US
(6) Which routes do you fly most often (US Domestic, Transpacific etc)
Asia-USA return via TYO on ANA
Next year I will look for some Asia-EU deals as well
(7) Preferred Airlines
ANA
(8) Do you travel for work or pleasure? (Can you chooose your airlines, class of service?)
free to chose

ChocolateFactory Sep 3, 2024 5:21 am

I usually fly SK/LH in Europe, in economy. Top airports are ARN, OSL, BER. I would have something like 30-40 flights split quite eavenly between the airlines. Also a couple of A3 flights, mostly for status renewal.
I have had *A status through A3 for years, requalifying has always been easy, at least with the 4 A3 flights thrown in.

But now that SK has left *A, I don't really know what to do.
I have been matched to LH SEN, which is nice.
But I don't know if I should try to keep *A status with A3, switch to M&M or move to a different program.

Long haul, I only fly business class, but mostly Oneworld and/or on points.
I'm not a fan of LH's long haul product, and I don't want to spend thousands or euros/dollars, just so I can have lounge access for those 15 or so LH short haul economy flights per year.
So I don't really want to fly five such trips, for example: https://www.premium-flights.com/mile...ifying-points/
Then again, I have really gotten used to the status, so I don't want to lose it either.
I fly to Europe-DXB (or vice versa) a couple times per year, so maybe I could buy a cheap F ticket once per year if that helps with the status.

I have access to US credit cards as well, but it seems like you can't easily spend your way to *A status, neither with AC nor UA.

Any suggestions?

Yuki178 Sep 3, 2024 9:56 am

Hi, with my recent move, reduced traveling post-Covid and a decline in CX's service levels, I am looking to get a status match or perhaps start from scratch (or which level I can get into) with another program. Any thoughts would be appreciated!

(1) What is your home airport?
MAN/LHR

(2) What types of fares do you usually buy?
C, I for UK-Asia; O, Q, K for Intra-Europe

(3) How many miles do you usually fly each year?
35K to 50K

(4) Do you have any kind of status at present? What is it?
CX Diamond (OW Emerald)

(5) What is most important to you in a FFP? (Frequent upgrades on travel, priority services when flying the airline, good award redemption rates, free lounge access, etc.)
Priority Service (e.g. extra luggage), lounge access

(6) Which routes do you fly most often? (US Domestic, Transpacific, etc.)
UK to Asia (HKG still main, though may also do NRT or ICN)
UK to Europe (e.g. FRA, CPH)

(7) Preferred Airlines
OW still seems to be best, but am wondering if I should go for *A being in Europe; otherwise, no strong preference other than to move away from CX. I assume status match/challenge with another OW program will not be possible though.

(8) Do you travel for work or pleasure? (Can you choose your airline and class of service?)
Mixed - full control over airline/class of service

guv1976 Sep 4, 2024 8:20 pm


Originally Posted by Yuki178 (Post 36498379)
Hi, with my recent move, reduced traveling post-Covid and a decline in CX's service levels, I am looking to get a status match or perhaps start from scratch (or which level I can get into) with another program. Any thoughts would be appreciated!

(1) What is your home airport?
MAN/LHR

(2) What types of fares do you usually buy?
C, I for UK-Asia; O, Q, K for Intra-Europe

(3) How many miles do you usually fly each year?
35K to 50K

(4) Do you have any kind of status at present? What is it?
CX Diamond (OW Emerald)

(5) What is most important to you in a FFP? (Frequent upgrades on travel, priority services when flying the airline, good award redemption rates, free lounge access, etc.)
Priority Service (e.g. extra luggage), lounge access

(6) Which routes do you fly most often? (US Domestic, Transpacific, etc.)
UK to Asia (HKG still main, though may also do NRT or ICN)
UK to Europe (e.g. FRA, CPH)

(7) Preferred Airlines
OW still seems to be best, but am wondering if I should go for *A being in Europe; otherwise, no strong preference other than to move away from CX. I assume status match/challenge with another OW program will not be possible though.

(8) Do you travel for work or pleasure? (Can you choose your airline and class of service?)
Mixed - full control over airline/class of service

On your LON/MAN-HKG trips, are you able to connect? If so, one roundtrip in Business, connecting in DOH in each direction, would earn you 2,000 Iberia Plus Elite Points; 2,250 Elite Points are needed for oneworld Sapphire. (If you were able to add a MAN-LON segment in Business to the trip, each one of those segments would be worth an additional 75 Elite Points.)
Otherwise, LHR-HKG-LHR nonstop would earn you just 1,000 Elite Points in the Iberia Plus program.

Edited to add: If you were to connect in DOH and credited to BAEC, you would earn 560 BAEC Tier Points. To reach BAEC Silver (oneworld Sapphire), you would need a total of 600 Tier Points, plus 4 "qualifying segments" in any class of service. If you were to fly BA MAN-LHR-FRA-LHR-MAN, that would get you the four qualifying segments (and 20 Tier Points, if flown in Economy).

MalFr Sep 6, 2024 10:40 pm

I have an upcoming work trip to Japan in J on LH metal ticketed through ANA. Based in France *A services don't really work well for me and normally use either AFKL or LCCs for all my work trips
Consequently, i have no *A program and realistically it's quite unlikely i'll start using *A with any increased frequently in the future. However, i don't want to waste the opportunity to earn, especially with good potential on these business flights just in case i can use it in the future.
Any suggestions of a program i could join to credit this too?

(1) What is your home airport? NTE/BOD, CDG if i have to
(2) What types of fares do you usually buy ? Economy, which ever class my company books and pays for
(3) How many miles do you usually fly each year? probably 15 returns in EU a year
(4) Do you have any kind of status at present? What is it? none (in *A)
(5) What is most important to you in a FFP? priority airport services (boarding, security, passport control), Lounge access
(6) Which routes do you fly most often shorter 4-5 days trips within the EU
(7) Preferred Airlines none in particular
(8) Do you travel for work or pleasure? work generally, company specify economy only Schedule and connections don't make it very easy to use *A

ioclip Sep 24, 2024 8:20 am

Hello all, I don't have a preference for *A given my recent experiences with UA and AC, but looking at my 2025 strategy as a whole. Considering if I were to remain in *A to credit to TK or A3 as I do a fair amount of EU travel. Please comment and let me know :)

(1) What is your home airport?
YOW, though can start in YUL

(2) What types of fares do you usually buy?
Economy 60%, Premium Eco 30%, 10% Business

(3) How many miles do you usually fly each year?
40-60K

(4) Do you have any kind of status at present? What is it?
UA MileagePlus Gold

(5) What is most important to you in a FFP? (Frequent upgrades on travel, priority services when flying the airline, good award redemption rates, free lounge access, etc.)
Priority boarding/checkin, lounge access

(6) Which routes do you fly most often? (US Domestic, Transpacific, etc.)
Canada to US (AC or UA)
US/Canada to EU (LH, LX, UA, AC)
once a year US/Canada to Asia (NH, BR, SQ)

(7) Preferred Airlines
I like the lounges for LH group and same for economy comfort. With UA I do get Economy Plus.

(8) Do you travel for work or pleasure? (Can you choose your airline and class of service?)
I can choose my airline but not my class of service, unless there is a sale.

cfischer Sep 24, 2024 5:48 pm


Originally Posted by ioclip (Post 36548327)
Hello all, I don't have a preference for *A given my recent experiences with UA and AC, but looking at my 2025 strategy as a whole. Considering if I were to remain in *A to credit to TK or A3 as I do a fair amount of EU travel. Please comment and let me know :)

(1) What is your home airport?
YOW, though can start in YUL

(2) What types of fares do you usually buy?
Economy 60%, Premium Eco 30%, 10% Business

(3) How many miles do you usually fly each year?
40-60K

(4) Do you have any kind of status at present? What is it?
UA MileagePlus Gold

(5) What is most important to you in a FFP? (Frequent upgrades on travel, priority services when flying the airline, good award redemption rates, free lounge access, etc.)
Priority boarding/checkin, lounge access

(6) Which routes do you fly most often? (US Domestic, Transpacific, etc.)
Canada to US (AC or UA)
US/Canada to EU (LH, LX, UA, AC)
once a year US/Canada to Asia (NH, BR, SQ)

(7) Preferred Airlines
I like the lounges for LH group and same for economy comfort. With UA I do get Economy Plus.

(8) Do you travel for work or pleasure? (Can you choose your airline and class of service?)
I can choose my airline but not my class of service, unless there is a sale.

If your flying already gets your UA Gold and AC SIlver - consider consolidating it to get e.g. UA Platinum (much better UA business redemption options). The new AC program is not bad either to be honest - I'd calculate what makes the most sense. Neither airline these days gives frequent upgrades.

plim8888 Oct 13, 2024 9:55 pm

Hi all,

Here's my situation. At this point in time I really have no preference for which airline. Appreciate your assessment on what my best options might be.
  • Was trying to get to million miler on UA Mileage Plus; but that looks hopeless now given UA do not even fly Singapore to Japan. So I am giving up.
(1) What is your home airport? (SFO, LAX, MCO, etc.) SIN
(2) What types of fares do you usually buy ? (C, F, Y, etc.) J (Business Class) and Premium Economy
(3) How many miles do you usually fly each year? (<25K, 25k-50k, >50k) About 30K - 60K estimated
(4) Do you have any kind of status at present? What is it? (UA Premier, M&M Senator etc) None
(5) What is most important to you in a FFP? (Frequent upgrades on travel, priority services when flying the airline, good award redemption rates, free lounge access, etc.) Upgrade from Business to First Class, Upgrade my children's flight from Economy to Business
(6) Which routes do you fly most often (US Domestic, Transpacific etc) Singapore to Japan, Singapore to Europe, Singapore to Australia/New Zealand
(7) Preferred Airlines No preference
(8) Do you travel for work or pleasure? (Can you choose your airlines, class of service?) Mainly pleasure; Yes, I have liberty to choose airlines & class of service.

Thanks.

cfischer Oct 14, 2024 5:40 pm


Originally Posted by plim8888 (Post 36595156)
Hi all,

Here's my situation. At this point in time I really have no preference for which airline. Appreciate your assessment on what my best options might be.
  • Was trying to get to million miler on UA Mileage Plus; but that looks hopeless now given UA do not even fly Singapore to Japan. So I am giving up.
(1) What is your home airport? (SFO, LAX, MCO, etc.) SIN
(2) What types of fares do you usually buy ? (C, F, Y, etc.) J (Business Class) and Premium Economy
(3) How many miles do you usually fly each year? (<25K, 25k-50k, >50k) About 30K - 60K estimated
(4) Do you have any kind of status at present? What is it? (UA Premier, M&M Senator etc) None
(5) What is most important to you in a FFP? (Frequent upgrades on travel, priority services when flying the airline, good award redemption rates, free lounge access, etc.) Upgrade from Business to First Class, Upgrade my children's flight from Economy to Business
(6) Which routes do you fly most often (US Domestic, Transpacific etc) Singapore to Japan, Singapore to Europe, Singapore to Australia/New Zealand
(7) Preferred Airlines No preference
(8) Do you travel for work or pleasure? (Can you choose your airlines, class of service?) Mainly pleasure; Yes, I have liberty to choose airlines & class of service.

Thanks.

You want C --> F upgrades - that just limits your options quite a bit TBH. UA will allow you to do that on NH to Japan (do they run 773s to SIN these days?). You can also upgrade LH easily with UA for SIN-FRA

I'd say it really depends on how often you need SIN-OZ since there really only SQ is in the game (from a J --> F perspective). Upgrading other than from SQ directly I think is only reasonable with LH (and that I wouldn't recommend - status too difficult to get)

Honestly, being SIN-based, I would go with SQ KF - not terrible earning. Based on your flying pattern you should earn Gold easily

plim8888 Oct 14, 2024 8:56 pm

Thanks for the advice.

I have some follow up questions.
  1. You asked "does NH run 773s to SIN these days?". Not sure what is a 773. I know NH runs mostly 787 between SIN and HND.
  2. You wrote "UA will allow you to upgrade from C to F on NH to Japan".
    1. What are the steps I need to do upgrade an NH flight using miles in my UA MileagePlus account? Can you provide some pointers? I have not figure that out.
    2. Do I need to be mileage member of both NH and UA?
    3. Do I need to attend certain status on NH and/or UA? ... Right now I have very little chance of reaching even Silver status on UA because I seldom fly on UA operated flights.
  3. You wrote "being SIN-based, I would go with SQ KF". I presume that means Singapore Airlines and Air Belgium? ... Sorry, after posting I just realized SQ KF means SQ KrisFlyer.
    1. I am exploring a trip from SIN - AMS - MIA - SIN. Based on what I see so far taking SQ would cost me SGD 18K (involving some segments with Virgin Air) and I cannot find anything using KF; in comparison TK gives me something costing only SGD 9K. Given this seems TK is a better choice.
    2. Or are you saying to sign up with SQ KrisFlyer and then fly TK to deposit miles in SQ? ... To go up the status ladder in SQ do I need to actually fly some SQ operated flights? I know that for UA to go up to Silver status I will need at least fly 4 segments on UA operated flights.
    3. Just curious ... If I fly TK would I get more miles (or other) benefits depositing my miles into TK or SQ?
  4. You wrote about upgrading from C to F on SQ, LH or NH ... Can I do that with miles in SQ or TK? Any pointers on how to do this?
  5. Following from the above discussion is it better for me to be SQ KF member and then fly SQ, TK, NH (depending on where I am going to) and deposit miles into SQ KF? Instead of having membership in all SQ, TK and NH?
Pardon the many questions. Thanks.



Originally Posted by cfischer (Post 36597392)
You want C --> F upgrades - that just limits your options quite a bit TBH. UA will allow you to do that on NH to Japan (do they run 773s to SIN these days?). You can also upgrade LH easily with UA for SIN-FRA

I'd say it really depends on how often you need SIN-OZ since there really only SQ is in the game (from a J --> F perspective). Upgrading other than from SQ directly I think is only reasonable with LH (and that I wouldn't recommend - status too difficult to get)

Honestly, being SIN-based, I would go with SQ KF - not terrible earning. Based on your flying pattern you should earn Gold easily



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