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Old Aug 15, 2019, 12:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Cledaybuck
The A220 isn't a regional jet. The 300 would have pretty much the same capacity as the 737-700.
The 100 has a 2-3 seat configuration (a-la MadDog) and seats 125 in single-class service. I'm curious if it needs less runway than a 737-700.
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Old Aug 15, 2019, 8:05 pm
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Originally Posted by LegalTender
The 100 has a 2-3 seat configuration (a-la MadDog) and seats 125 in single-class service. I'm curious if it needs less runway than a 737-700.
If only we could Google something like this...

A220-100: 4790 ft

737-700: 6699 ft
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 6:58 am
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Originally Posted by rsteinmetz70112
It's also a shot across Boeing's bow.
Yeah, mostly this. Standard business negotiation tactic.
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 11:20 am
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Originally Posted by toomanybooks
Yeah, mostly this. Standard business negotiation tactic.
More like long-term jet-succession planning,. There won’t be a generation of another 737s beyond the MAX.
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 11:38 am
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Originally Posted by toomanybooks
Yeah, mostly this. Standard business negotiation tactic.
Except that for 40+ years, Southwest never used this tactic. Until now.
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 12:38 pm
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I've flown the DL A220 and it would be a great plane for WN.
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 1:51 pm
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Originally Posted by DenverBrian
Except that for 40+ years, Southwest never used this tactic. Until now.
Herb dealt with an ethical and principled Boeing, not this corrupt company led by McDonnell Douglas management.
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 3:20 pm
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Originally Posted by PotomacApproach
I've flown the DL A220 and it would be a great plane for WN.
I doubt that. If they ordering A220 aircraft. I am pretty sure if they consider it. Please orders 200 A220 aircraft!!
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 6:12 pm
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Originally Posted by Tanic
Herb dealt with an ethical and principled Boeing, not this corrupt company led by McDonnell Douglas management.
Muilenburg started at Boeing in 1985.
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 6:16 pm
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Originally Posted by DenverBrian
Except that for 40+ years, Southwest never used this tactic. Until now.
Out of the veritable encyclopedia of Herb stories—most of which are likely true—one of my personal favorites was when Herb “accidentally” left a cigarette lighter etched with the logo of Airbus Industries on the conference table at Boeing headquarters as a new aircraft purchase deal was being negotiated. Classic Herb.

https://www.avweb.com/recent-updates...-giant-passes/
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Old Aug 16, 2019, 10:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Cledaybuck

Muilenburg started at Boeing in 1985.
Yes the current CEO came up through the ranks, but the corporate culture of Boeing dramatically changed with the infusion of MD executives after the merger, away from safety and sound aircraft design in favor of cost cutting.

Requiem for a Dreamliner?
To understand why, you need to go back to 1997, when Boeing merged with McDonnell Douglas. Technically, Boeing bought McDonnell Douglas. But, as Richard Aboulafia, a noted industry analyst with the Teal Group, told me, “McDonnell Douglas in effect acquired Boeing with Boeing’s money.” McDonnell Douglas executives became key players in the new company, and the McDonnell Douglas culture, averse to risk and obsessed with cost-cutting, weakened Boeing’s historical commitment to making big investments in new products. Aboulafia says, “After the merger, there was a real battle over the future of the company, between the engineers and the finance and sales guys.” The nerds may have been running the show in Silicon Valley, but at Boeing they were increasingly marginalized by the bean counters.
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Old Aug 18, 2019, 4:43 pm
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Cost aside, I would have loved if SW kept the 717s from Airtran because they can land at some smaller airports than they currently serve. I wouldn't mind the A220 or E175 for flights to MMH (not sure of the A220's length though) or restarting commercial service at OXR or Tahoe.
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Old Aug 18, 2019, 6:24 pm
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Originally Posted by PotomacApproach
I've flown the DL A220 and it would be a great plane for WN.
Boeing made a huge mistake when they played politics on the Bombadier jets instead of just buying the company before Airbus did. What is now the A220 would have fit perfectly into the Boeing lineup. That plus the 797 would handle the 737 replacement nicely plus give them the regional they picked up by buying into Embriar.

Maybe there is something being kept secret, but right now it seams like Boeing has their head up their ... on forward plans in the single aisle space
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Old Aug 18, 2019, 6:58 pm
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Operating one aircraft type is economical keeps crew and maintenance costs down. Boeing screwed up on the MAX and it’s taking way to long to fix the issue.
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