Future SWA expansion

Old Jan 8, 19, 7:30 am
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Future SWA expansion

With the arrival of Hawai'i this year to the route map, where does Southwest turn to next for expansion? Will they simply add capacity to existing cities, or do we see further expansion into unserved cities. I imagine that we all have what would be our ideal cities that are unserved by SWA.

I wonder about COS - maybe too close to DEN
GSO - would pull from CLT and RDU
SAV??
BIL
FSD
ANC

Is there any interest in TATAL?

What about SEA-ANC-NRT?
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Old Jan 8, 19, 7:40 am
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Originally Posted by RobtheAggie View Post
Is there any interest in TATAL?nWhat about SEA-ANC-NRT?
For 45+ years, ever since Freddie Laker's doomed SkyTrain, a long line of brave airlines has tried to make a go of an intercontinental LCC. There have been zero successes and a massive amount of capital lost. I think Southwest is too smart to become the 15th victim.
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Old Jan 8, 19, 7:43 am
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Unserved by WN that I wish were served

Roanoke VA
Jackson MS
Charleston WV
And of course, anywhere in Canada (Toronto would be awesome).
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Old Jan 8, 19, 8:15 am
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Originally Posted by bitterproffit View Post
Unserved by WN that I wish were served

Roanoke VA
Jackson MS
Charleston WV
And of course, anywhere in Canada (Toronto would be awesome).
I know BUF is close to YYZ, but I wonder if Canada is the next step for SW. I would love AGS, but that is just selfish on my part.
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Old Jan 8, 19, 8:33 am
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Originally Posted by RobtheAggie View Post

Is there any interest in TATAL?

What about SEA-ANC-NRT?
With lie-flat beds, IFE, 2-meal service and Japanese-fluent FA's. I'm thinking no.
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Old Jan 8, 19, 8:41 am
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Originally Posted by LegalTender View Post
With lie-flat beds, IFE, 2-meal service and Japanese-fluent FA's. I'm thinking no.
Good point, lots of logistical issues to compete with.
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Old Jan 8, 19, 9:57 am
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They got nothing in MT/ND/SD/WY.

Seems like an area to think about, at least.

Wild card: Bermuda.
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With the high yields on so many transborder (US/CA) routes and easy ability to serve with non-ETOPS 737s, I'm surprised they haven't set up shop in YYZ, YVR, YUL, YOW, YYC, and maybe two or three other Canadian airports.

Is it excessively difficult for a new carrier to get certified to operate in Canada? All of the U.S. legacies are there, plus a few smaller players, so it doesn't seem infeasible for WN to do it. It's one of the few places I can think of where there is still ample pricing room for a true "Southwest effect" - bringing down crazy-high fares and still very profitable for WN.
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Originally Posted by pinniped View Post
With the high yields on so many transborder (US/CA) routes and easy ability to serve with non-ETOPS 737s, I'm surprised they haven't set up shop in YYZ, YVR, YUL, YOW, YYC, and maybe two or three other Canadian airports.

Is it excessively difficult for a new carrier to get certified to operate in Canada? All of the U.S. legacies are there, plus a few smaller players, so it doesn't seem infeasible for WN to do it. It's one of the few places I can think of where there is still ample pricing room for a true "Southwest effect" - bringing down crazy-high fares and still very profitable for WN.
Edmonton, Calgary, Regina, Winnipeg could all use Southwest. If they decided to fly into Fort McMurray, They could probably fill planes with direct flights out of Houston!
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Originally Posted by bitterproffit View Post
Jackson MS
I thought Jackson has the dubious distinction of being one of the few cities that has SW but lost it, not including the Air Tran cities.
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Old Jan 8, 19, 1:23 pm
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For selfish reasons----> Astoria, Oregon (AST)

Save me 4 hours of driving from PDX every round trip.

AST has had a number of failed commuter commercial prop airlines over the years.
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Old Jan 8, 19, 1:58 pm
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Originally Posted by RobtheAggie View Post
I thought Jackson has the dubious distinction of being one of the few cities that has SW but lost it, not including the Air Tran cities.
That must be the case, as I remember flying there a few times from Nashville, but never direct.
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Old Jan 8, 19, 2:15 pm
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Originally Posted by pinniped View Post
With the high yields on so many transborder (US/CA) routes and easy ability to serve with non-ETOPS 737s, I'm surprised they haven't set up shop in YYZ, YVR, YUL, YOW, YYC, and maybe two or three other Canadian airports.
A lot of the transborder ticket price is made up of U.S. and Canadian customs and immigration charges, Canadian airport improvement fees (not capped at $4.50), and GST. Here's ITA Matrix on a US$ 197 YVR-LAX-YVR fare:

Fare for 1 adultFare 1: Carrier WS LTQD0BZG YVR to LAX (rules)Passenger type ADT, one-way fare, booking code ECovers YVR-LAX (Economy)$51.60
Fare 2: Carrier WS LTQD0BZG LAX to YVR (rules)Passenger type ADT, one-way fare, booking code ECovers LAX-YVR (Economy)$51.60

Canadian Goods and Services Tax (XG)$6.40
United States Immigration User Fee (XY)$7.00
United States Customs User Fee (YC)$5.77
United States APHIS Passenger Fee Passengers (XA)$3.96
Vancouver Airport Improvement Fee (SQ)$15.00
US International Arrival Tax (US)$37.20
Canadian Air Travelers Security Charge (CA)$9.00
US September 11th Security Fee (AY)$5.60
US Passenger Facility Charge (XF)$4.50
Subtotal per passenger$197.43
Number of passengersx1Subtotal For 1 adult$197.43
  • This ticket is non-refundable.
  • No changes may be made to this ticket after purchase.
Fare Construction (can be useful to travel agents)
YVR WS LAX 69.00LTQD0BZG WS YVR 69.00LTQD0BZG CAD 138.00 END XT 9.00CA 15.00SQ 6.40XG 5.77YC 7.00XY 3.96XA 37.20US 5.60AY 4.50XF LAX4.50Total Airfare & Taxes$197.43

That's $103 in fare received by the carrier (for a journey of 1081 miles each way) and $94 in taxes and fees.
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