Apr 17, 2015, 8:09 am
Last edit by: nsx
Thanks Everyone for Your Data Points!! ^
**NOTE: As you update the WIKI, please do not delete old posts as they provide useful historical data**
Sunday, April 26, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:25pm - DEN-AUS (WN#167): 78 points/$1 of $205.49 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
4:40pm - DEN-LAS (WN#118): 78 points/$1 of $215.72 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Monday May 4, 2015 (WGA fare):
4:40pm - MSY-(HOU)-DAL (WN#1163/50): 74 points/$1 of $190.14 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, May 8, 2015 (WGA fare):
11:10am - MDW-LGA (WN#2278): 70 points/$1 of $108.74 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Sunday, May 10, 2015 (WGA fare):
8:55pm - LGA-MDW (WN#479): 78 points/$1 of $238.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, May 22, 2015 (WGA fare):
12:25pm - DEN-LAS (WN#153): 78 points/$1 of $215.72 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Saturday, May 23, 2015 (WGA fare):
10:15am - HOU-AUA (WN#2228): 80 points/$1 of $350.00 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Monday, May 25, 2015 [Memorial Day] (WGA fare):
5:45am - BOS-MDW (WN#1895): 70 points/$1 of $80.84 WGA Base Fare [found 4/21/2015]
5:00pm - BOS-MDW (WN#3967): 78 points/$1 of $251.07 WGA Base Fare [found 4/21/2015]
Saturday, June 6, 2015 (WGA fare):
6:25am - EWR-(MDW-MCI)-ABQ (WN#2191/1030): 70 points/$1 of $129.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/18/2015]
Saturday, June 6, 2015 (WGA fare):
10:00am - LGA-(MDW)-ABQ (WN#1501/1909): 74 points/$1 of $176.19 WGA Base Fare [found 4/18/2015]
Sunday, June 7, 2015 (WGA fare):
2:50pm - AUS-DEN (WN#604): 76 points/$1 of $149.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, June 12, 2015 (WGA fare):
8:10pm - DAL-SFO (WN#50): 76 points/$1 of $181.00 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Wednesday, June 17, 2015 (WGA fare):
6:25am - HOU-(MCO)-AUA (WN#718/1630): 70 points/$1 of $166 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Sunday, June 21, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:05pm - DEN-MDW (WN#3828): 78 points/$1 of $187.81 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Tuesday, June 30, 2015 (WGA fare):
7:00pm - DAL-ABQ (WN#46): 70 points/$1 of $99.74 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, July 3, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:55am - PHL-MDW (WN#1008): 76 points/$1 of $218.51 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Saturday, July 4, 2015 (WGA fare):
7:05pm - ABQ-DAL (WN#727): 70 points/$1 of $99.44 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Sunday, July 19, 2015 (WGA fare):
2:05pm - GEG-DEN (WN#1069): 76 points/$1 of $149.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:30pm - ATL-DCA (WN#3664): 70 points/$1 of $83.63 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Tuesday, August 18, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:55am - PHL-MDW (WN#1008): 70 points/$1 of $125.49 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, September 4, 2015 [Labor Day Weekend] (WGA fare):
7:50am - HOU-LAS (WN#2991): 76 points/$1 of $221.30 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
9:45am - DAL-LAS (WN#3077): 78 points/$1 of $242.70 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
Monday, September 7, 2015 [Labor Day Weekend] (WGA fare):
2:15pm - LAS-HOU (WN#1957): 78 points/$1 of $284.56 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
1:50pm - LAS-DAL (WN#597): 78 points/$1 of $289.21 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
Saturday, September 26, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:05am - MDW-SJC (WN#4522): 74 points/$1 of $158.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
*** searched again 5/7/2015;now 70 pts/$; WGA Base fare of $112.47***
Saturday, October 3, 2015 (WGA fare):
1:50pm - SJC-MDW (WN#1303): 74 points/$1 of $158.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
OBSERVATIONS: no2chem has likely found the basis of the methodology WN uses to determine which ratio applies -- the applicable ratio appears to be based on the cheapest available paid WGA fare class bucket, according to the following (as of 4/17/2015):
WGA Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
nsx has verified that as of April 29, 2016 all five 70-point fare classes are 72 points per $
T = 72 pts / $70 pts /$ ($52.93/3705)
N = 72 pts / $70 pts /$ ($77.12/5398)
M = 72 pts / $70 pts /$ ($147.35/10315)
S = 72 pts / $70 pts / $ ($93.86/6570)
O = 72 pts / $70 pts / $ ($180.84/12659)
————
R = 74 pts / $ ($219.92/16273)
————
W = 76 pts / $ ($241.30/18339)
H = 76 pts / $ ($275.72/20955)
————
Q = 78 pts / $ ($238.98/18640)
B = 78 pts / $ ($276.19/21543)
————
L = 80 pts / $ ($331.05/26484)
————
AT Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
YL = 100 pts /$ ($242.70/24270)
BS Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
K = 120 pts/ $ ($458.41/55021)
However, without a subscription to Expert Flyer, it is difficult for most of us to determine the lowest paid fare class (it is shown in the emailed receipt after purchase and on the boarding pass...but, neither is too helpful). Also, KennyBSAT has found advance-purchase W fares, same-day M & S fares at 74 points/$.
**NOTE: As you update the WIKI, please do not delete old posts as they provide useful historical data**
Sunday, April 26, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:25pm - DEN-AUS (WN#167): 78 points/$1 of $205.49 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
4:40pm - DEN-LAS (WN#118): 78 points/$1 of $215.72 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Monday May 4, 2015 (WGA fare):
4:40pm - MSY-(HOU)-DAL (WN#1163/50): 74 points/$1 of $190.14 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, May 8, 2015 (WGA fare):
11:10am - MDW-LGA (WN#2278): 70 points/$1 of $108.74 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Sunday, May 10, 2015 (WGA fare):
8:55pm - LGA-MDW (WN#479): 78 points/$1 of $238.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, May 22, 2015 (WGA fare):
12:25pm - DEN-LAS (WN#153): 78 points/$1 of $215.72 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Saturday, May 23, 2015 (WGA fare):
10:15am - HOU-AUA (WN#2228): 80 points/$1 of $350.00 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Monday, May 25, 2015 [Memorial Day] (WGA fare):
5:45am - BOS-MDW (WN#1895): 70 points/$1 of $80.84 WGA Base Fare [found 4/21/2015]
5:00pm - BOS-MDW (WN#3967): 78 points/$1 of $251.07 WGA Base Fare [found 4/21/2015]
Saturday, June 6, 2015 (WGA fare):
6:25am - EWR-(MDW-MCI)-ABQ (WN#2191/1030): 70 points/$1 of $129.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/18/2015]
Saturday, June 6, 2015 (WGA fare):
10:00am - LGA-(MDW)-ABQ (WN#1501/1909): 74 points/$1 of $176.19 WGA Base Fare [found 4/18/2015]
Sunday, June 7, 2015 (WGA fare):
2:50pm - AUS-DEN (WN#604): 76 points/$1 of $149.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, June 12, 2015 (WGA fare):
8:10pm - DAL-SFO (WN#50): 76 points/$1 of $181.00 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Wednesday, June 17, 2015 (WGA fare):
6:25am - HOU-(MCO)-AUA (WN#718/1630): 70 points/$1 of $166 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Sunday, June 21, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:05pm - DEN-MDW (WN#3828): 78 points/$1 of $187.81 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Tuesday, June 30, 2015 (WGA fare):
7:00pm - DAL-ABQ (WN#46): 70 points/$1 of $99.74 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, July 3, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:55am - PHL-MDW (WN#1008): 76 points/$1 of $218.51 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Saturday, July 4, 2015 (WGA fare):
7:05pm - ABQ-DAL (WN#727): 70 points/$1 of $99.44 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Sunday, July 19, 2015 (WGA fare):
2:05pm - GEG-DEN (WN#1069): 76 points/$1 of $149.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:30pm - ATL-DCA (WN#3664): 70 points/$1 of $83.63 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Tuesday, August 18, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:55am - PHL-MDW (WN#1008): 70 points/$1 of $125.49 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, September 4, 2015 [Labor Day Weekend] (WGA fare):
7:50am - HOU-LAS (WN#2991): 76 points/$1 of $221.30 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
9:45am - DAL-LAS (WN#3077): 78 points/$1 of $242.70 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
Monday, September 7, 2015 [Labor Day Weekend] (WGA fare):
2:15pm - LAS-HOU (WN#1957): 78 points/$1 of $284.56 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
1:50pm - LAS-DAL (WN#597): 78 points/$1 of $289.21 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
Saturday, September 26, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:05am - MDW-SJC (WN#4522): 74 points/$1 of $158.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
*** searched again 5/7/2015;now 70 pts/$; WGA Base fare of $112.47***
Saturday, October 3, 2015 (WGA fare):
1:50pm - SJC-MDW (WN#1303): 74 points/$1 of $158.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
OBSERVATIONS: no2chem has likely found the basis of the methodology WN uses to determine which ratio applies -- the applicable ratio appears to be based on the cheapest available paid WGA fare class bucket, according to the following (as of 4/17/2015):
WGA Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
nsx has verified that as of April 29, 2016 all five 70-point fare classes are 72 points per $
T = 72 pts / $
N = 72 pts / $
M = 72 pts / $
S = 72 pts / $
O = 72 pts / $
————
R = 74 pts / $ ($219.92/16273)
————
W = 76 pts / $ ($241.30/18339)
H = 76 pts / $ ($275.72/20955)
————
Q = 78 pts / $ ($238.98/18640)
B = 78 pts / $ ($276.19/21543)
————
L = 80 pts / $ ($331.05/26484)
————
AT Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
YL = 100 pts /$ ($242.70/24270)
BS Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
K = 120 pts/ $ ($458.41/55021)
However, without a subscription to Expert Flyer, it is difficult for most of us to determine the lowest paid fare class (it is shown in the emailed receipt after purchase and on the boarding pass...but, neither is too helpful). Also, KennyBSAT has found advance-purchase W fares, same-day M & S fares at 74 points/$.
Post Your POINTS PER DOLLAR (Pts/$1) Rapid Rewards Award Booking Ratios Here
Apr 18, 2015, 5:22 pm
#61
Join Date: May 2006
Location: TUS/PDX
Programs: WN CP/A-List, AS MVPG75K
Posts: 5,798
EF has listed WN fare classes (never displaying more than 8) for as long as I've had a subscription. Generally if a flight is getting close to sold out, they won't show the numbers, but it's not unusual to see R8 O2 M2 S1 etc on the feed.
Apr 20, 2015, 1:45 pm
#62
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 401
As found on April 20, both departures for June 17:
SAN-DCA Flt. 830/2162, 11,031 points, WGA base fare of $157.58,
70 points
SAN-IAD Flt. 900 (NS), 12,315 point, WGA base fare of $166.42,
74 points
Here, of course, you don't know if the IAD premium is for the airport or NS.
SAN-DCA Flt. 830/2162, 11,031 points, WGA base fare of $157.58,
70 points
SAN-IAD Flt. 900 (NS), 12,315 point, WGA base fare of $166.42,
74 points
Here, of course, you don't know if the IAD premium is for the airport or NS.
Apr 21, 2015, 8:55 am
#63
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: ORD/MDW
Programs: AA EXP, DL-Plat, WN-CP | Hotels: Choice-Gld, IHG-Plt, Rad-Gld, HH-Dia, Hyatt-Glob, Marriott-LtPlt
Posts: 2,889
I was curious how holiday pricing may shake-out. So, I looked at a couple non-stops on the same route for Memorial Day 2015 - the least expensive WGA fare and most expensive WGA fare on the route:
BOS-MDW (WN#1895) 5:45am, Monday, May 25, 2015 [Memorial Day] (WGA fare):
5,659 Points required
$80.84 Base Fare ($101.00 all-in fare)
70 points/$1 of WGA Base Fare
[found 4/21/2015]
BOS-MDW (WN#3967) 5:00pm, Monday, May 25, 2015 [Memorial Day] (WGA fare):
19,583 Points required
$251.07 Base Fare ($284.00 all-in fare)
78 points/$1 of WGA Base Fare
[found 4/21/2015]
So, 70 pts/$1 are available on peak travel days; but, likely only on the cheapest WGA fare buckets.
BOS-MDW (WN#1895) 5:45am, Monday, May 25, 2015 [Memorial Day] (WGA fare):
5,659 Points required
$80.84 Base Fare ($101.00 all-in fare)
70 points/$1 of WGA Base Fare
[found 4/21/2015]
BOS-MDW (WN#3967) 5:00pm, Monday, May 25, 2015 [Memorial Day] (WGA fare):
19,583 Points required
$251.07 Base Fare ($284.00 all-in fare)
78 points/$1 of WGA Base Fare
[found 4/21/2015]
So, 70 pts/$1 are available on peak travel days; but, likely only on the cheapest WGA fare buckets.
Apr 21, 2015, 10:00 am
#64
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: LAS-DEN
Programs: WN CP & B-list. Disillusioned fmr UA-1P/2P,F9-Ascent; Fmr AA-Plat,CO-Gold,NW-Silver,TWA-Elite
Posts: 1,630
You gotta wonder ... why keep all this a secret?
It took a couple of you true super expert flyers between 1-4 days to figure out what appears to the system.
There are certainly a lot fewer secrets in the age of the Internet.
Thanks for the analysis!
It took a couple of you true super expert flyers between 1-4 days to figure out what appears to the system.
There are certainly a lot fewer secrets in the age of the Internet.
Thanks for the analysis!
Apr 21, 2015, 11:42 am
#65
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 2,506
Because every time there is a devaluation, people on FT and the like moan and groan about it (for good reason). They also have to occasionally break the bad news to their customers, depending on the exact change ('hey, we are making your points worth even less now!').
With this, they never have to officially recognize and notify us about devaluations ever again, on the WGA redemption side at least. If they said 'you can now redeem for WGA tickets at rates between 70 and 80 points per dollar', they have to update that and provide notice whenever the range changes.
With this, they never have to officially recognize and notify us about devaluations ever again, on the WGA redemption side at least. If they said 'you can now redeem for WGA tickets at rates between 70 and 80 points per dollar', they have to update that and provide notice whenever the range changes.
Last edited by lowfareair; Apr 21, 2015 at 11:52 am Reason: Clarity
Apr 21, 2015, 8:38 pm
#67
Join Date: Mar 2001
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Posts: 1,630
Post Your POINTS PER DOLLAR (Pts/$1) Rapid Rewards Award Booking Ratios Here
We are still going to moan and groan. That is what we do!
I am sure there will be a thread the first time someone sees a flight where the points meet/exceed 80pts/$1. And then 82 ... 84 ... Etc.
I am sure there will be a thread the first time someone sees a flight where the points meet/exceed 80pts/$1. And then 82 ... 84 ... Etc.
Apr 22, 2015, 5:12 am
#68
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Apr 30, 2015, 8:34 am
#71
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Folks, remember...don't believe everything bloggers say. Two bloggers now, inaccurately, claim both (1) to have found ratios of 65 points per $1 and (2) that it is BETTER than before the devaluation...but, they're not looking at BASE fare. If they were, they'd understand that (1) the ratios are actually in excess of 65 points per $1 and (2) it is NOT better than before the devaluation.
Here are two inaccurate blog posts regarding the ratios:
Southwest Points Are Now Worth MORE Than Before – Here’s When
Are Southwest Points Sometimes Worth Even More Post-Devaluation?
For more, see this FT post.
Here are two inaccurate blog posts regarding the ratios:
Southwest Points Are Now Worth MORE Than Before – Here’s When
Are Southwest Points Sometimes Worth Even More Post-Devaluation?
For more, see this FT post.
Apr 30, 2015, 1:46 pm
#72
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: SEA
Programs: HH Silver
Posts: 2,400
Folks, remember...don't believe everything bloggers say. Two bloggers now, inaccurately, claim both (1) to have found ratios of 65 points per $1 and (2) that it is BETTER than before the devaluation...but, they're not looking at BASE fare. If they were, they'd understand that (1) the ratios are actually in excess of 65 points per $1 and (2) it is NOT better than before the devaluation.
Here are two inaccurate blog posts regarding the ratios:
Southwest Points Are Now Worth MORE Than Before – Here’s When
Are Southwest Points Sometimes Worth Even More Post-Devaluation?
For more, see this FT post.
Here are two inaccurate blog posts regarding the ratios:
Southwest Points Are Now Worth MORE Than Before – Here’s When
Are Southwest Points Sometimes Worth Even More Post-Devaluation?
For more, see this FT post.
Apr 30, 2015, 7:07 pm
#73
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Programs: WN CP, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 14,192
May 6, 2015, 7:18 pm
#75
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 2
MSP-DEN-SNA (WN#354/4877) 6:05am/8:05am, Wed, July 15, 2015 (WGA fare):
25,196 Points required
$308.65 Base Fare ($354.40 all-in fare)
76 points/$1 of WGA Base Fare
[found 5/06/2015]
MSP-DEN-SNA (WN#887/478) 10:55am/2:30pm, Wed, July 15, 2015 (WGA fare):
14,156 Points required
$202.43 Base Fare ($240.00 all-in fare)
70 points/$1 of WGA Base Fare
[found 5/06/2015]
MSP-PHX-SNA (WN#202/2152) 10:10am/12:55pm, Wed, July 15, 2015 (WGA fare):
14,156 Points required
$202.43 Base Fare ($240.00 all-in fare)
70 points/$1 of WGA Base Fare
[found 5/06/2015]
25,196 Points required
$308.65 Base Fare ($354.40 all-in fare)
76 points/$1 of WGA Base Fare
[found 5/06/2015]
MSP-DEN-SNA (WN#887/478) 10:55am/2:30pm, Wed, July 15, 2015 (WGA fare):
14,156 Points required
$202.43 Base Fare ($240.00 all-in fare)
70 points/$1 of WGA Base Fare
[found 5/06/2015]
MSP-PHX-SNA (WN#202/2152) 10:10am/12:55pm, Wed, July 15, 2015 (WGA fare):
14,156 Points required
$202.43 Base Fare ($240.00 all-in fare)
70 points/$1 of WGA Base Fare
[found 5/06/2015]