Nose gear collapse on landing at LGA

Old Aug 7, 13, 2:59 pm
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Originally Posted by kerflumexed View Post
Here is the quote from the NTSB release:

"SWA 345 proceeded on the approach when at a point below 400 feet, there was an exchange of control of the airplane and the captain became the flying pilot and made the landing."

From this we do not know at what altitude the captain became the flying pilot, nor do we know who initiated the change in control. To me it is clear that they should have executed a missed approach and gone around. I have been through several at LaGarbage usually due to the preceding aircraft not clearing the active.
True, just going on what was interpreted from the release. Yeah, the pilot should have gone around - just like the Asiana pilot. But pilots' pride and overconfidence in skill sometimes get the best of them.
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Old Aug 7, 13, 7:33 pm
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Originally Posted by CREN View Post
I hear ya and wonder if I would have opened the door as well as I usually sit in the emergency exit row on Southwest. Only one time a FA has told me wait for the "evacuate" call from the pilot before opening the door.
Gonna have to ask a FA Monday what the SOP is and what reality is. Of course, the pilot-in-command (PIC) is the ultimate authority. Just seems unlikely that in most "incidents" all the wiring, power, sensors, intercoms, etc. would be fully functioning to warrant a delay in having the pilots make the call as fast as possible. These guys don't have review mirrors to see what's going on in the tail 200'+ behind them.

BTW, anyone know if the nose wheel did really collapse or was it driven so hard into the wheel bay intact, rendering it useless?

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Old Aug 7, 13, 7:59 pm
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Originally Posted by joshua362 View Post
BTW, anyone know if the nose wheel did really collapse or was it driven so hard into the wheel bay intact, rendering it useless?
This photo strongly suggests the nosewheel was down-and-locked and hit the ground with enough force to drive it up into the fueselage.

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Old Sep 1, 13, 2:03 pm
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I heard from some airline people that this Captain was fired, and she was not well liked by those flying with her.
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Old Nov 20, 13, 10:42 am
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The plane has been declared "totaled."

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I can honestly say that I have never seen a plane wrapped in shrink wrap before. Didn't even know that it was worth it.
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Old Nov 20, 13, 11:55 am
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I can honestly say that I have never seen a plane wrapped in shrink wrap before. Didn't even know that it was worth it.
Good to know if you ever want to surprise a loved one with an awesome birthday or Christmas gift!
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Old Nov 20, 13, 12:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Texas Booster View Post
I can honestly say that I have never seen a plane wrapped in shrink wrap before. Didn't even know that it was worth it.
I think it's to cover the WN livery so it's not as embarrassing.

Like a big blue condom.
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Old Oct 30, 14, 12:24 pm
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Old Oct 30, 14, 12:30 pm
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Oh, the ever popular "failure to go around". Taught repeatedly from the first day of pilot training...

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Old Oct 31, 14, 6:08 pm
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I read through all the documents, particularly the interviews. The thing I took away is that the FO, who was flying the plane, up until the last few seconds, felt that he was flying a satisfactory approach, and didn't really understand why the Captain decided to take control of the plane.
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Old Oct 31, 14, 6:32 pm
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Are you saying the FO had no clue, or that the captain took control and screwed up the approach?
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Old Oct 31, 14, 7:28 pm
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Originally Posted by lougord99 View Post
Are you saying the FO had no clue, or that the captain took control and screwed up the approach?
Captain took control 710 feet down the runway & 32 feet above it. That's not an approach.

At the last moment, the captain took the controls and said, "I got it," according to the transcript. Boeing analysts said the switch happened 32 feet in the air, 710 feet after the start of the runway.
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Old Nov 1, 14, 7:42 am
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Originally Posted by LegalTender View Post
Captain took control 710 feet down the runway & 32 feet above it. That's not an approach.
Yep. My understanding is that at that point in the flight there should never be a change in control. If the captain sees something of concern at that point she should have initiated a go around. So that was definitely a screw up, but it was not clear to me from the reading that there was even anything wrong that should have initiated a go around.
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