South America before Hawaii?
Oct 3, 2012, 4:54 pm
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I think Central and close South America are inevitable once the proper facilities are built at HOU. As for Hawaii, competition seems to be pretty heavy during the off-peak times -- fares tend to be quite reasonable. I wonder if WN really wants to jump into an already-hypercompetitive market. They seem to be growing more conservative and want to jump into higher fare markets.
Oct 3, 2012, 5:24 pm
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Exactly, currently sub-$300 r/t fares between the bay area and OGG for Nov/Dec on HA/AS. Probably not much room for a traditional "Southwest Effect" on these routes.
Oct 3, 2012, 7:19 pm
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I was only referring to the HOU-CCS example given by the poster before me.
Oct 4, 2012, 12:39 pm
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Even the previous fears/rumors of WN entering the interisland market don't seem to be WN's emphasis right now. WN has been cutting back on short haul frequencies and fares are much higher, as noted in other threads.
Oct 4, 2012, 3:00 pm
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Precisely. I just managed to score a ticket during the Christmas holidays on PHX-HNL for under $500 roundtrip by being a bit flexible (one way on HA, the other way on US) and got the exact times/dates that I wanted. I've been paying $700-$800 the past couple of years.
Even the previous fears/rumors of WN entering the interisland market don't seem to be WN's emphasis right now. WN has been cutting back on short haul frequencies and fares are much higher, as noted in other threads.
Even the previous fears/rumors of WN entering the interisland market don't seem to be WN's emphasis right now. WN has been cutting back on short haul frequencies and fares are much higher, as noted in other threads.
Oct 4, 2012, 6:07 pm
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A nearly 2% decline in Southwests capacity in Aug-2012 on traffic growth of 0.1% helped the carrier grow its load factor for the month to 84.2%, which senior vice president of planning Tammy Romo cited as very strong. However, she admitted the carrier has seen some softness in yields, and stated the airline has "been aggressively pushing fares where we can.
So far during 2012 Southwest has pushed through four fare increases compared with a total of roughly eight instituted during 2012. The potential for fewer fare increases being introduced in 2012 could suggest some consumer push back to airlines attempting to raise prices.
So far during 2012 Southwest has pushed through four fare increases compared with a total of roughly eight instituted during 2012. The potential for fewer fare increases being introduced in 2012 could suggest some consumer push back to airlines attempting to raise prices.
Oct 5, 2012, 7:46 am
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Oct 5, 2012, 8:07 am
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Oct 5, 2012, 12:07 pm
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I can see them working some of American's big destinations.
I personally see them going more toward the vacation destinations like St Martaan, belize, costa rica before getting into South America.
I also see them adding a code share agreement with a larger Cemtral/South American airline.
Oct 5, 2012, 12:17 pm
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I just dont see it....
I can see them working some of American's big destinations.
I personally see them going more toward the vacation destinations like St Martaan, belize, costa rica before getting into South America.
I also see them adding a code share agreement with a larger Cemtral/South American airline.
I can see them working some of American's big destinations.
I personally see them going more toward the vacation destinations like St Martaan, belize, costa rica before getting into South America.
I also see them adding a code share agreement with a larger Cemtral/South American airline.
Gol would seem to be the first airline to come to mind as a potential partner for deeper South America.
Oct 6, 2012, 11:42 pm
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Based on the info in LegalTender's post, it appears that WN is in fact parking the planes. They have reduced capacity overall and refocused resources on longer haul flights.
Oct 7, 2012, 1:16 pm
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I was talking to a WN captain at ABQ today. He said that the conjecture among some WN pilots is that South America will happen before Hawaii does. Seems that proposed work rule changes for the various unions suggest that may be the current thinking at GK-ville, also WN may be aiming to gain some advantage over AA, who has a lot of South America business, in their current weakened state.
Oct 7, 2012, 3:38 pm
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