Official Peanut Gallery Thread
Oct 19, 2021, 7:56 pm
#1831
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In the current tight labor market I doubt any employer wants to fire employees over a federal mandate that some workers oppose. Firing people shrinks your company and your stock price. Employers will find ways not to fire their people unless they already planned to downsize.
How would you characterize their action?
Oct 19, 2021, 8:35 pm
#1832
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I'm not a fanatic about vaccines either way, so I don't follow the news closely. I feel that my vaccines will protect me adequately as long as I'm not stupid. If I'm stupid, then the consequences are my fault.
To the extent that I followed the news I didn't see any large companies mandating vaccines until the administration announced its plan to mandate them. If someone gave me 4 to 1 odds I would bet that the mandate never takes effect, i.e. that the administration backs down or the courts force them to back down. Legalities aside, IMHO the danger to uncompromised vaccinated people is not great enough at this point to justify a mandate. We take greater risks riding in passenger cars. The risk of the vaccine itself is unknown. I personally believe that risk is quite low and getting lower all the time, but nobody knows for sure. If I had a healthy 2-year-old child I would think long and hard about the balance of risks before choosing an mRNA vaccine. Minimax logic says you should choose a low probability of bounded harm when the other option is an even lower probability of unknown and therefore unbounded harm. But nobody decides that way. We all decide based on our feelings.
Time will tell whether the United or the Delta response was better for the company or for the employees. I don't claim to be able to predict that answer. Don't believe anyone who professes certainty.
Oct 20, 2021, 9:31 am
#1833
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Dallas, TX
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Decisive.
I'm not a fanatic about vaccines either way, so I don't follow the news closely. I feel that my vaccines will protect me adequately as long as I'm not stupid. If I'm stupid, then the consequences are my fault.
To the extent that I followed the news I didn't see any large companies mandating vaccines until the administration announced its plan to mandate them. If someone gave me 4 to 1 odds I would bet that the mandate never takes effect, i.e. that the administration backs down or the courts force them to back down. Legalities aside, IMHO the danger to uncompromised vaccinated people is not great enough at this point to justify a mandate. We take greater risks riding in passenger cars. The risk of the vaccine itself is unknown. I personally believe that risk is quite low and getting lower all the time, but nobody knows for sure. If I had a healthy 2-year-old child I would think long and hard about the balance of risks before choosing an mRNA vaccine. Minimax logic says you should choose a low probability of bounded harm when the other option is an even lower probability of unknown and therefore unbounded harm. But nobody decides that way. We all decide based on our feelings.
Time will tell whether the United or the Delta response was better for the company or for the employees. I don't claim to be able to predict that answer. Don't believe anyone who professes certainty.
I'm not a fanatic about vaccines either way, so I don't follow the news closely. I feel that my vaccines will protect me adequately as long as I'm not stupid. If I'm stupid, then the consequences are my fault.
To the extent that I followed the news I didn't see any large companies mandating vaccines until the administration announced its plan to mandate them. If someone gave me 4 to 1 odds I would bet that the mandate never takes effect, i.e. that the administration backs down or the courts force them to back down. Legalities aside, IMHO the danger to uncompromised vaccinated people is not great enough at this point to justify a mandate. We take greater risks riding in passenger cars. The risk of the vaccine itself is unknown. I personally believe that risk is quite low and getting lower all the time, but nobody knows for sure. If I had a healthy 2-year-old child I would think long and hard about the balance of risks before choosing an mRNA vaccine. Minimax logic says you should choose a low probability of bounded harm when the other option is an even lower probability of unknown and therefore unbounded harm. But nobody decides that way. We all decide based on our feelings.
Time will tell whether the United or the Delta response was better for the company or for the employees. I don't claim to be able to predict that answer. Don't believe anyone who professes certainty.
Oct 22, 2021, 2:03 pm
#1834
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Only half of Southwest Airlines' 56,000 employees have reported their vaccination status or applied for accommodation, said CEO Gary Kelly, with little more than a month to go before the Biden administration's deadline for airline staff to do so.
The airline risks losing its federal contracts should staffers not be fully vaccinated by the December 8 deadline. The U.S. government is the airline's biggest client, Kelly said.
The airline risks losing its federal contracts should staffers not be fully vaccinated by the December 8 deadline. The U.S. government is the airline's biggest client, Kelly said.
Oct 24, 2021, 1:44 am
#1835
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Completely opposite situations. Pilots want to work. They are doing nothing different. ATCs back then went on strike and left the country in a lurch. You want all these pilots fired?? Airline industry will be turned upside down and travel costs would just explode. Not a solution by any means. Unless you WANT federal airlines?
Oct 25, 2021, 11:09 am
#1836
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Ultimately i want my flights operating and staff not separated into categories based on health choice preferences. I make choices for myself - that's sufficient without forcing them on others..
Oct 27, 2021, 1:32 am
#1837
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Hopefully HRs are run by ppl who respect personal privacy of medical records. It is very unfortunate that some label those who respect choice (oh the irony) and privacy "anti-vaxxer"
Ultimately i want my flights operating and staff not separated into categories based on health choice preferences. I make choices for myself - that's sufficient without forcing them on others..
Ultimately i want my flights operating and staff not separated into categories based on health choice preferences. I make choices for myself - that's sufficient without forcing them on others..
Oct 27, 2021, 5:39 am
#1838
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"Just stay home another two weeks"
"Masks provide no benefit" (politicians then realize they can conjure up fear, and therefore power, by requiring masks in situations where they provide no benefit)
"Once we hit these goals we can reopen everything" (goals met, nothing reopened)
"Stay home because our hospitals are overwhelmed" (they were empty locally, 2% full of COVID patients)
"Once we hit 70% vaccinations, we are all in the clear" (70% achieved, locally we are at 80%, restrictions still exist)
I could see right through all of the above when they were happening.
So, I am sorry, I disagree with your statement that unvaccinated people are the reason this pandemic is "still going on". The two reasons why it is still going are are 1) Government pandering and power tripping. 2) Science and mother nature.
...and yes I am vaccinated and think people refusing to get the shot are stupid (so are smokers, people who use illicit substances, people that cheat on their spouse, people that can't hold a job, people that steal things and commit crimes, school dropouts, etc). However, dumb people will always exist in any and every society. That is no excuse for government overreach though. You can't just eliminate these people and create a government funded utopia where everyone thinks and acts the same.
Last edited by pgh234; Oct 27, 2021 at 5:44 am
Oct 31, 2021, 5:24 pm
#1839
Join Date: Nov 2005
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Brandon no longer works for WIN
The Associated Press, which had a reporter on board the flight, first reported that a pilot of a Friday flight from Houston to Albuquerque ended his typical greeting to passengers with ...
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Nov 1, 2021, 1:55 pm
#1843
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The Associated Press, which had a reporter on board the flight, first reported that a pilot of a Friday flight from Houston to Albuquerque ended his typical greeting to passengers with ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...i-biden-chant/
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/31/busin...lot/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...i-biden-chant/
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/31/busin...lot/index.html
Nov 1, 2021, 6:46 pm
#1845
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