Rapid Rewards 2.0 begins March 1, 2011
Feb 23, 2011, 4:21 pm
#992
Join Date: May 2006
Location: TUS/PDX
Programs: WN CP/A-List, AS MVPG75K
Posts: 5,798
Feb 23, 2011, 6:51 pm
#993
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: So Cal
Programs: UA Gold/0.744MM, WN AL, Hyatt Diamond, MR Scum, Hertz PC, National Exec, Avis PC
Posts: 5,561
I had originally thought that awards that expired under the new regime just expired with no possibility of renewal???
Feb 23, 2011, 7:11 pm
#994
Moderator: Southwest Airlines, Capital One
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: California
Programs: WN Companion Pass, A-list preferred, Hyatt Globalist; United Club Lietime (sic) Member
Posts: 21,624
2. No. Only awards issued March 1 and later cannot be renewed.
Feb 23, 2011, 7:26 pm
#995
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: usually Oakland, sometimes San Diego
Programs: WN and its partners
Posts: 71
RR Premier?
Apologies to the board if this is in the wrong place and/or covered elsewhere, I haven't found it yet. Though I must admit the RR 2.0 thread is loooonnngggg and I haven't been through from post 1 to post 1million....
Once 2.0 launches, I understand that there will be some points from the "Premier" card that count toward A List Preferred status. Will my existing RR Visa automatically convert to a Premier card or do I need to apply for a Premier card separately? Any help will be much appreciated!
Once 2.0 launches, I understand that there will be some points from the "Premier" card that count toward A List Preferred status. Will my existing RR Visa automatically convert to a Premier card or do I need to apply for a Premier card separately? Any help will be much appreciated!
Feb 23, 2011, 7:47 pm
#996
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: usually Oakland, sometimes San Diego
Programs: WN and its partners
Posts: 71
We fly 10-30 segments a year. For our class of flyer - and there are alot of us - we are going to take a big hit. Your situation of flying short-haul intrastate and redeeming transcon was a very popular strategy. And many, including myself, paid more for those tickets than on other competitors for the added value inherent in the RR program. No more, my man. Many of us had other ways of earning Awards and even CPs. These other ways were also revenue producers for WN and let's never forget that. I believe the 10-30 segment per year group was really quite loyal. Many of us had found our WN niche.
My guess is that 2.0 will make many of these loyal 10-30s (maybe not the most profitable group but still steady income producers) look elsewhere while not providing anywhere near an equal up-tick for BS. I know I will be looking elsewhere and it sounds like you will too, Paul. That's two of us (forgive me for assuming, but you said you'd be highly disadvantaged in 2.0) Maybe I'd reconsider if they were still the low cost leader. But they are not. In fact most of the time they are higher.
My guess is that 2.0 will make many of these loyal 10-30s (maybe not the most profitable group but still steady income producers) look elsewhere while not providing anywhere near an equal up-tick for BS. I know I will be looking elsewhere and it sounds like you will too, Paul. That's two of us (forgive me for assuming, but you said you'd be highly disadvantaged in 2.0) Maybe I'd reconsider if they were still the low cost leader. But they are not. In fact most of the time they are higher.
So, I am a short haul girl. As the screen name suggests, I mostly fly from OAK to SAN and back or sometimes I mix it up and fly OAK to SNA or even PHX or LAS. Rarely rarely further East than that. I rack up the awards on my little short trips and use them as gifts to family or for last minute high-priced fares for short trips. RR2.0 kills or at least maims my last minute award trips. Of my 18 RTs per year, my CP is with me 12-14 times and in 11 months we've already used $3500 worth of CP flights. I have been LUVin the CP. Since I've already requalified for my next CP, I'm expecting my expiration date of 4/30/12 will be extended to 12/31/2012. Transition bonus!! I haven't figured out whether my patterns will result in enough points to requal for CP for 2013. If no, that will be a big downer.
My main pickle is this: But even if I don't like RR 2.0, where could I turn? I don't want to drive over to SFO or down to San Jose and I don't want to have a connection on my OAK to SAN trips. I don't think any of the other cariers out of OAK would be worth it. I am missing something?
Feb 23, 2011, 8:00 pm
#997
Moderator: Southwest Airlines, Capital One
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: California
Programs: WN Companion Pass, A-list preferred, Hyatt Globalist; United Club Lietime (sic) Member
Posts: 21,624
My main pickle is this: But even if I don't like RR 2.0, where could I turn? I don't want to drive over to SFO or down to San Jose and I don't want to have a connection on my OAK to SAN trips. I don't think any of the other cariers out of OAK would be worth it. I am missing something?
Just be grateful for the years of RR 1.0 you had, and you won't be missing anything.
Feb 23, 2011, 8:08 pm
#998
Join Date: May 2007
Location: DFW
Programs: WN A+, AA, HYATT DIAMOND, SPG
Posts: 1,125
So I am just a little bit bigger than a "little guys" by this definition. Probably about 18 RTs in a calendar year. But I have 168 credits since 3/21/10 from a combo of flights, Hertz and RR Credit Card. I've switched my spend to another CC for different points, should have done that about 67 credits ago, oh well.
So, I am a short haul girl. As the screen name suggests, I mostly fly from OAK to SAN and back or sometimes I mix it up and fly OAK to SNA or even PHX or LAS. Rarely rarely further East than that. I rack up the awards on my little short trips and use them as gifts to family or for last minute high-priced fares for short trips. RR2.0 kills or at least maims my last minute award trips. Of my 18 RTs per year, my CP is with me 12-14 times and in 11 months we've already used $3500 worth of CP flights. I have been LUVin the CP. Since I've already requalified for my next CP, I'm expecting my expiration date of 4/30/12 will be extended to 12/31/2012. Transition bonus!! I haven't figured out whether my patterns will result in enough points to requal for CP for 2013. If no, that will be a big downer.
My main pickle is this: But even if I don't like RR 2.0, where could I turn? I don't want to drive over to SFO or down to San Jose and I don't want to have a connection on my OAK to SAN trips. I don't think any of the other cariers out of OAK would be worth it. I am missing something?
So, I am a short haul girl. As the screen name suggests, I mostly fly from OAK to SAN and back or sometimes I mix it up and fly OAK to SNA or even PHX or LAS. Rarely rarely further East than that. I rack up the awards on my little short trips and use them as gifts to family or for last minute high-priced fares for short trips. RR2.0 kills or at least maims my last minute award trips. Of my 18 RTs per year, my CP is with me 12-14 times and in 11 months we've already used $3500 worth of CP flights. I have been LUVin the CP. Since I've already requalified for my next CP, I'm expecting my expiration date of 4/30/12 will be extended to 12/31/2012. Transition bonus!! I haven't figured out whether my patterns will result in enough points to requal for CP for 2013. If no, that will be a big downer.
My main pickle is this: But even if I don't like RR 2.0, where could I turn? I don't want to drive over to SFO or down to San Jose and I don't want to have a connection on my OAK to SAN trips. I don't think any of the other cariers out of OAK would be worth it. I am missing something?
I just don't spend anywhere near that amount. CC spend - if they don't cap the amount each year (and they haven't done so thus far) - will be the route many take to get qualified for the CP each year.
Feb 23, 2011, 8:11 pm
#999
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: usually Oakland, sometimes San Diego
Programs: WN and its partners
Posts: 71
You are missing the fact that Southwest has been giving away the store to you (and me) for 12 years, and they've decided to stop doing that. I wish they had come right out and said it, but instead they decided to claim that RR 2.0 would be wonderful for you. Nope.
Just be grateful for the years of RR 1.0 you had, and you won't be missing anything.
Just be grateful for the years of RR 1.0 you had, and you won't be missing anything.
Otherwise, I'll just take whatever WN offers because it beats nothing. Good news is I just ran the numbers and it looks like my spend+flights+rental cars is enough to get me a CP under RR2.0 even without having to credit my Hyatt stays to WN points. That's enough to keep me with WN even if there were an alternative.
Feb 24, 2011, 3:21 am
#1000
Join Date: May 2006
Location: TUS/PDX
Programs: WN CP/A-List, AS MVPG75K
Posts: 5,798
I'm in your shoes. I don't have many choices since I live in TUS. On many of my routes, there is no alternative, or if there is, the schedule sucks.
Until WN changes the fundamental way they do business--that is, they stop flying convenient schedules, with many, many flights a day, I'll continue to fly them. I might not go out of my way anymore to fly them, especially if I can fly Alaska on the same route for the same price, but I'll fly WN nonetheless and reminisce about the olden days. Like the triple credit California flights, stacked with a double credit promo. I earned an obscene amount of awards that month, and those were the non-capacity controlled ones.
Feb 24, 2011, 4:44 am
#1001
Join Date: Jan 2007
Programs: HHonors Diamond ; Prority Club Platinum; Rapid Rewards A List; OnePass
Posts: 72
I have been reading this thread daily, but the one question I have that I may have missed the answer to -
Can I extend a standard reward ticket issued before 3/1, after 3/1.....if that reward ticket had already been extended in the past.
For Example, I had a reward issued in September 2009, in November 2010 I extended it. (to make a booking) If I choose not to use that one before November 2011...will I be able to extend it, and if so when will I need to extend it by?
Thanks everyone.
Can I extend a standard reward ticket issued before 3/1, after 3/1.....if that reward ticket had already been extended in the past.
For Example, I had a reward issued in September 2009, in November 2010 I extended it. (to make a booking) If I choose not to use that one before November 2011...will I be able to extend it, and if so when will I need to extend it by?
Thanks everyone.
Feb 24, 2011, 5:26 am
#1002
Join Date: May 2007
Location: DFW
Programs: WN A+, AA, HYATT DIAMOND, SPG
Posts: 1,125
I have been reading this thread daily, but the one question I have that I may have missed the answer to -
Can I extend a standard reward ticket issued before 3/1, after 3/1.....if that reward ticket had already been extended in the past.
For Example, I had a reward issued in September 2009, in November 2010 I extended it. (to make a booking) If I choose not to use that one before November 2011...will I be able to extend it, and if so when will I need to extend it by?
Thanks everyone.
Can I extend a standard reward ticket issued before 3/1, after 3/1.....if that reward ticket had already been extended in the past.
For Example, I had a reward issued in September 2009, in November 2010 I extended it. (to make a booking) If I choose not to use that one before November 2011...will I be able to extend it, and if so when will I need to extend it by?
Thanks everyone.
Last edited by mile ho; Feb 24, 2011 at 8:56 am
Feb 24, 2011, 6:53 am
#1003
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Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Chicagoland, IL, USA
Programs: WN CP, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 14,192
Apologies to the board if this is in the wrong place and/or covered elsewhere, I haven't found it yet. Though I must admit the RR 2.0 thread is loooonnngggg and I haven't been through from post 1 to post 1million....
Once 2.0 launches, I understand that there will be some points from the "Premier" card that count toward A List Preferred status. Will my existing RR Visa automatically convert to a Premier card or do I need to apply for a Premier card separately? Any help will be much appreciated!
Once 2.0 launches, I understand that there will be some points from the "Premier" card that count toward A List Preferred status. Will my existing RR Visa automatically convert to a Premier card or do I need to apply for a Premier card separately? Any help will be much appreciated!
Feb 24, 2011, 8:46 am
#1004
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Texas
Posts: 229
Pretty simple here. Go to your Southwest account. Find the area titled Reissue Awards. Click on it. If that award is available to be reissued it will show up there. Reissue it today or tomorrow at the latest as it will disappear into oblivion March 1. If it doesn't come up there, you're sol.
What you can't do (if I have this right!), is extend a ticket twice after March 1st. I think you're good with a second extension if the first one was done before March 1st.
Feb 24, 2011, 9:06 am
#1005
Moderator: Southwest Airlines, Capital One
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: California
Programs: WN Companion Pass, A-list preferred, Hyatt Globalist; United Club Lietime (sic) Member
Posts: 21,624
That's my understanding also. Essentially, any award issued before March 1 can be reissued. Any award issued after March 1 (including reissued old awards) cannot be reissued.