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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 4:38 am
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Originally Posted by graraps
AZ are usually quite good about handling irr ops.
They've certainly had enough practice. Running to time may be a novel concept for AZ but many other carriers manage it on a regular basis. I suppose the name should give us a clue. Alitalia: Always Late In Taking-off, Always Late In Arriving.
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I also happen to really like their FCO lounges (certainly not a feature you'd expect to find from a LCC).
Given AZ's timekeeping record you probably get to spend a lot more time there than in other carrier's lounges. Get the right credit card and you'll get lounge access no matter who you fly with.
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And they 've got proper premium seats intra-Europe.
Shame about the legroom though.
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They've certainly got problems...
Something we can agree on! Dirty planes, surly staff, a very relaxed attitude to flying to schedule and a limited route network.
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...but a LCC they are not.
Not with their prevailing cost structure, restrictive contracts and operational inefficiency.

Basic premise of a scheduled airline? Transportation of people or goods from point A to point B on a regular and reliable basis. Does AZ do this consistently? I don't believe they do.

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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 4:59 am
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I had no idea how this thread would develop when I first posted, but I should have guessed there would be some ST bashing going on.

Personally, I like SkyTeam - they have a big presence in TLV (my home base) with KL, AF, AZ, OK and DL (codeshare with LY) and soon RO (and I have seen Air Europa as well from time to time), they consistently have the cheapest J and Y fares from TLV to almost everywhere I fly and I like for the fares that I fly that I get between 100 and 150% of miles on Y.

When you get right down to it, IMHO, we're travelling on a flying bus - whether its BA (my previous favorite airline till they slashed and burned lots of Y fares to 25%) KL or LH when flying in Y. I don't have high expectations from my bus driver on the ground nor do I have high expectations from the FA's. It's nice when I get treated special, but putting things in proportion none of the travel really is important (I use the five year rule for determining importance - will I remember / will it matter in five years from now).
I feel that way even though I will most likely log > 250,000 miles this year (about 25% J /75 % Y).

I guess for me the only thing that works using the 5-year rule is how I spend my miles in a memorable vacation with the family. I picked SkyTeam because they will get *me* to a meaningful return. Of course, everyone has their own special and personal perspective on choosing an alliance - I am just sharing mine...
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 6:17 am
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Originally Posted by graraps
AZ are usually quite good about handling irr ops. For me this is a major differentiator between LCCs and FSCs. I also happen to really like their FCO lounges (certainly not a feature you'd expect to find from a LCC). And they 've got proper premium seats intra-Europe.
They've certainly got problems, but a LCC they are not.
MY LHR-FCO J trips have not given me the pleasure of their "proper premium seats" - where do I find these?

Based on my personal experience on AZ J intra-Europe, I find it difficult to agree that they are far better than EI
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 6:42 am
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MY LHR-FCO J trips have not given me the pleasure of their "proper premium seats" - where do I find these?
On the M80.
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 6:47 am
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Originally Posted by alect
Based on my personal experience on AZ J intra-Europe, I find it difficult to agree that they are far better than EI
The only time I missed a connection on AZ (due to a problem with the pushback vehicle no less!), apart from paying for hotel/meals/etc, they offered to reroute me on ANY airline (I did end up flying AZ again because the only other half-reasonable choice was a BA flight departing at 6am or something silly). I was on a rather cheap economy ticket. When was the last time this happened to anyone on EI?

(BTW this was before the new EU rules came into effect)
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