Mar 27, 2025, 1:59 am
Last edit by: ATLCDG
Welcome to the main Air France La Premičre thread.
In this wiki, you will find schedule, seat maps and network.
(Last updated April 2025).
For historical, technical, strategy and future network content, look in this thread.
La Premičre is available if you are flying to New York City (JFK), Los Angeles, San Francisco, Washington DC, Miami, Sao Paulo, Abidjan, Dubai, Singapore, and Tokyo (HND). All flights are in / out of Paris CDG.
You will find La Premičre on the following flights:
During DST = Until 26th of October 2025
Between US and EU DST = Between 26th of October and 2nd of November 2025
After DST (Winter) = After 2nd of November
Peak Season = June, July, August
NEW YORK (JFK) (3X to 5X DAILY)
DURING DST (PEAK SEASON)
TO JFK
AF2 08:30 - 10:30
AF4 10:30 - 12:40
AF6 13:30 - 15:45
AF8 16:30 - 18:45
AF10 18:30 - 20:55
FROM JFK
AF1 16:30 - 05:55+1
AF3 17:30 - 06:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:05+1
AF9 23:30 - 13:00+1
DURING DST (LOW SEASON)
TO JFK:
AF4 10:30 - 12:40
AF6 13:30 - 15:45
AF8 16:30 - 18:45
AF10 18:30 - 20:55
FROM JFK :
AF3 17:30 - 06:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:00+1
AF9 23:30 - 13:00+1
BETWEEN US AND EU DST
TO JFK:
AF4 10:30 - 14:00
AF6 13:30 - 17:10
AF8 16:30 - 20:15
FROM JFK :
AF1 17:30 - 05:45+1
AF5 19:30 - 07:50+1
AF7 22:30. - 10:50+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO JFK :
AF4 10:30 - 13:00
AF6 13:30 - 16:10
AF8 16:30 - 19:15
FROM JFK :
AF1 16:30 - 05:45+1
AF5 18:30 - 07:50+1
AF7 21:30 - 10:50+1
Notes on the JFK operations:
The flagship flights are AF4, AF6 and AF8. Note that this route is heavily subject to last minute aircraft changes. Even on flagship 777 routes. Downgrades have been reported multiple times.
LOS ANGELES (LAX) (2X to 3X Daily)
DURING DST (PEAK SEASON)
TO LAX
AF20 08:45 - 11:20
AF22 10:30 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
FROM LAX
AF21 13:40 - 09:30+1
AF23 15:25 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20 +1
DURING DST (LOW SEASON)
TO LAX :
AF22 10:30 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
FROM LAX :
AF23 15:25 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
BETWEEN EU AND US DST
TO LAX :
AF22 10:15 - 14:05
AF24 13:20 - 17:10
FROM LAX :
AF23 16:25 - 11:15+1
AF25 19:30 - 14:20+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO LAX:
AF22 10:15 - 13:05
AF24 13:20 - 16:10
FROM LAX:
AF23 15:25 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
SAN FRANCISCO (SFO)
DURING DST
TO SFO
AF84 10:20 - 12:50
FROM SFO
AF83 15:05 - 10:55+1
BETWEEN US AND EU DST
TO SFO
AF84 10:25 - 14:10
FROM SFO
AF83 16:25 - 11:20+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO SFO
AF84 10:25 - 13:10
FROM SFO
AF83 15:25 - 11:20+1
WASHINGTON (IAD)
DURING DST
TO IAD
AF50 13:45 - 16:20
FROM IAD
AF51 18:30 - 08:15+1
BETWEEN US AND EU DST
TO IAD
AF50 13:25 - 17:15
FROM IAD :
AF51 19:30 - 08:00+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO IAD
AF50 13:25 - 16:15
FROM IAD
AF51 18:30 - 08:00+1
MIAMI (MIA)
DURING EU DST
TO MIA
AF90 10:25 - 14:15
FROM MIA
AF91 16:35 - 07:35+1
BETWEEN US AND EU DST
TO MIA
AF90 13:10 - 18:30
FROM MIA
AF91 20:50 - 10:45+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO MIA
AF90 13:10 - 17:30
FROM MIA
AF91 19:50 - 10:45+1
SAO PAULO (GRU)
MAJOR SCHEDULE CHANGE
DURING EU DST (BEFORE 30TH OF JUNE 2025) :
TO GRU
AF460 10:10 - 17:00
FROM GRU
AF459 19:15 - 11:15+1
DURING EU DST (STARTING 30TH OF JUNE 2025):
TO GRU
AF454 23:30 - 06:15+1
FROM GRU
AF453 14:40 - 06:55+1
AFTER EU DST (Winter) :
TO GRU
AF454 23:20 - 07:15+1
FROM GRU
AF453 14:40 - 06:05+1
Notes on GRU operations :
The La Premičre service is removed from the day flight and added to the night flight to GRU starting 30th of June.
ABIDJAN (ABJ)
DURING EU DST
TO ABJ
AF702 14:10 - 18:30
FROM ABJ
AF703 21:05 - 05:45+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO ABJ
AF702 14:35 - 19:55
FROM ABJ
AF703 22:15 - 05:45+1
DUBAI (DXB)
DURING EU DST
TO DXB
AF662 13:40 - 22:35
FROM DXB
AF655 00:40 - 06:00
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO DXB
AF662 13:35 - 23:20
FROM DXB
AF665 01:30 - 06:25
SINGAPORE (SIN)
DURING EU DST
TO SIN
AF256 21:15 - 16:30+1
FROM SIN
AF257 22:35 - 06:10+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO SIN
AF256 21:05 - 16:55+1
FROM SIN
AF257 22:55 - 06:10+1
TOKYO (HND)
DURING EU DST
TO HND
AF274 22:00 - 18:30+1
FROM HND
AF293 00:05 - 08:00 (3x Weekly)
AF279 22:05 - 06:00+1 (4x Weekly)
AFTER DST (Winter) :
TO HND
AF274 21:55 - 19:25+1
FROM HND
AF293 01:00 - 07:55
Note on HND operations:
AF279 and AF293 is the same return flight of AF274, under two different numbers due to the slots being allocated on the same day; 4x weekly it returns before midnight as AF279, three times weekly after midnight, it returns as AF293.
LA PREMIČRE
FLEET & SCHEDULE
La Premičre cabin is installed on 25 Boeing 777-300ER (F-GSQA/B/C/E/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/U/V/Y and F-GZNA/B/C/D/E/H/K/P/Q, and R).
Seat maps of Boeing 777-300ER with La Premičre (copyright aeroLOPA)
(click here for original site)
Version 1 ("Old" La Premičre):
Version 2 ("New" La Premičre):
(F-GSQC/E/F/L/K/Y and F-GZND/E/H/K/P/Q/R)
This La Premičre map was created using Travel-Dealz flight map tool (copyright / creative commons), to create a new one in the future if a new destination opens, click here.
Other routes that previously operated La Premiere service but are now terminated as P service) included Beirut, Osaka, Lagos, Beijing, Atlanta, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Mexico, Chicago, Houston, Montreal and Johannesburg. (And has previously switched from the morning to the overnight flight to Sao Paulo for example.)
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Schedule and route map content by on.the.bowery (Last update: April 2025).
Note that as of April 2025, you can find two threads about La Premičre, a general discussion (here), and a more technical discussion (Network, Historic, Strategy, etc) in this thread.
Enjoy your flight.
Note that as of April 2025, you can find two threads about La Premičre, a general discussion (here), and a more technical discussion (Network, Historic, Strategy, etc) in this thread.
Enjoy your flight.
March 2025 - New La Premičre
Mar 2, 2026 | 7:01 am
#1171
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Paris and around the WW
Programs: AF/KLM Club2000 Ultimate / M&M HON Circle / ALL Limitless / Hertz President Circle
Posts: 1,334
Mar 6, 2026 | 3:26 am
#1174
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: CDG
Programs: TK Elite, FB Plat
Posts: 117
Strange.
We're booked in May and asked LP phone line about experience in vestibule. They did email the menu (includes coquillettes thankfully, and baba), and wine list. And they said we would be offered a voucher for Sisley facial in Paris.
Can't upload PDF of menu and wine list unfortunately, but can share via DM.
We're booked in May and asked LP phone line about experience in vestibule. They did email the menu (includes coquillettes thankfully, and baba), and wine list. And they said we would be offered a voucher for Sisley facial in Paris.
Can't upload PDF of menu and wine list unfortunately, but can share via DM.
Mar 7, 2026 | 1:10 pm
#1175
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 20
New LP for ATL?
[QUOTE=San Gottardo;37466919]Of course this isn’t true for all US final destinations, but for many. Here is why:
1) Much much more connectivity through ATL.
3) I prefer having more time on board the Air France plane and then a shorter time on the domestic DL plane. First because it’s more pleasant, and second because it gives me longer sleeping time on the way back
Does anyone know if the ATL flights wil have the new LP or the older version? Wife and I are flying through ATL to CDG in mid-April. Was happy to see ATL as an LP city because JFK can be harder to get to from the southwest / southeast and Midwest. Plus, as San Gottardo said, more time in LP, less time on a regional get or single aisle plane. Particularly on the way to CDG to get more sleep.
I think there are 2 flights daily to ATL from CDG. Great news.
1) Much much more connectivity through ATL.
3) I prefer having more time on board the Air France plane and then a shorter time on the domestic DL plane. First because it’s more pleasant, and second because it gives me longer sleeping time on the way back
Does anyone know if the ATL flights wil have the new LP or the older version? Wife and I are flying through ATL to CDG in mid-April. Was happy to see ATL as an LP city because JFK can be harder to get to from the southwest / southeast and Midwest. Plus, as San Gottardo said, more time in LP, less time on a regional get or single aisle plane. Particularly on the way to CDG to get more sleep.
I think there are 2 flights daily to ATL from CDG. Great news.
Last edited by Cavman1; Mar 7, 2026 at 1:12 pm Reason: Shrink
Mar 7, 2026 | 2:58 pm
#1176
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: FRA/SXB
Programs: FB Silver; Accor Silver
Posts: 4,155
Does anyone know if the ATL flights wil have the new LP or the older version? Wife and I are flying through ATL to CDG in mid-April. Was happy to see ATL as an LP city because JFK can be harder to get to from the southwest / southeast and Midwest. Plus, as San Gottardo said, more time in LP, less time on a regional get or single aisle plane. Particularly on the way to CDG to get more sleep.
I think there are 2 flights daily to ATL from CDG. Great news.
I think there are 2 flights daily to ATL from CDG. Great news.
.AF has always had 2x/daily year around to ATL (AF30 and 32), in the peak summer season there is a third late flight (AF34), not everyday and this last one often gets cancelled though.
Mar 8, 2026 | 1:44 am
#1177
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Paris, France
Programs: AF/KL Flying Blue Ultimate/Platinum for life/Club2000, Accor ALL Diamond
Posts: 25,053
Does anyone know if the ATL flights wil have the new LP or the older version? Wife and I are flying through ATL to CDG in mid-April. Was happy to see ATL as an LP city because JFK can be harder to get to from the southwest / southeast and Midwest. Plus, as San Gottardo said, more time in LP, less time on a regional get or single aisle plane. Particularly on the way to CDG to get more sleep.
I think there are 2 flights daily to ATL from CDG. Great news.
I think there are 2 flights daily to ATL from CDG. Great news.
Read the sticky/first post of this thread and compare with the the seat map on your réservation. Last minute substitutions occur. Either type is an excellent product. I've been reading the thread on LH Allegris F and the non-functioning lights......
AF has always had 2x/daily year around to ATL (AF30 and 32), in the peak summer season there is a third late flight (AF34), not everyday and this last one often gets cancelled though.
.AF has always had 2x/daily year around to ATL (AF30 and 32), in the peak summer season there is a third late flight (AF34), not everyday and this last one often gets cancelled though.
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Mar 8, 2026 | 10:35 am
#1179
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Denver • DEN-APA
Programs: AF Platinum, EK Gold Royal Air Maroc OW Emerald Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 22,531
I thought JFK was supposed to be a priority new LP market, yet EF is only showing 1 of 4 JFK flights next Friday (3/13) with new LP.
AF 2/1, AF 4/3 and AF 8/7 are all old LP. Only AF 6/5 is scheduled to be new LP.
AF 2/1, AF 4/3 and AF 8/7 are all old LP. Only AF 6/5 is scheduled to be new LP.
Mar 8, 2026 | 4:53 pm
#1180
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: NYC -- UA 1K; SPG Platinum; HH Diamond.
Posts: 3,245
You'd think that would be the case, but it's all over the place. For example, over the next couple weeks, some days have 3 flights out of 4 with the new LP, some days 2, some 1 and some zero... It seems like it's driven by operational considerations and not service/marketing considerations. I think I mentioned it elsewhere, but my sense is that NY LP pax are primarily driven by schedule considerations etc. (as opposed to new or old LP) and AF probably knows it so it doesn't really care about prioritizing new LP one way or another to JFK.
Mar 9, 2026 | 4:52 am
#1181
Join Date: Oct 2019
Programs: Flying Blue, Hilton Honors, Amtrak Guest Rewards
Posts: 3,634
I suspect that if one views P as a bucket list item, one is going to be really interested in flying the new product. Those who fly P more than a couple of times a year are generally :shrug: about new vs old P.
(The former group is also probably over-represented in the "how do I get Platinum so I can use miles for P" crowd).
Same thing happened with the new J.
(The former group is also probably over-represented in the "how do I get Platinum so I can use miles for P" crowd).
Same thing happened with the new J.
Mar 9, 2026 | 8:43 am
#1182
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Paris France
Programs: FB Gold
Posts: 105
You'd think that would be the case, but it's all over the place. For example, over the next couple weeks, some days have 3 flights out of 4 with the new LP, some days 2, some 1 and some zero... It seems like it's driven by operational considerations and not service/marketing considerations. I think I mentioned it elsewhere, but my sense is that NY LP pax are primarily driven by schedule considerations etc. (as opposed to new or old LP) and AF probably knows it so it doesn't really care about prioritizing new LP one way or another to JFK.
Mar 10, 2026 | 1:47 am
#1184
Join Date: Oct 2024
Location: Beyrouth, Lebanon
Programs: AF/KL Flying Blue Platinum | Accor ALL Diamond
Posts: 27
Hello, I wanted to give some feedback on the new La Premičre cabin that I tried for the first time on a Paris–Haneda flight last week. For context, I fly a lot, but about 95% of my flights are in business class. I had already flown Air France La Premičre two or three times before. To be completely transparent, I have never really been a fan of the price–quality ratio of La Premičre compared to business class. I assume that if someone is extremely wealthy the question doesn’t really arise, but I have always struggled to justify to myself the choice of traveling in first class instead of business given the price difference.
Overall, everything went quite well, but despite that I don’t think I will repeat the experience. My feedback is the following:
Overall, everything went quite well, but despite that I don’t think I will repeat the experience. My feedback is the following:
- I don’t really understand all the communication around this new cabin and the choice to redesign everything to create something that is certainly better, but I didn’t get the “wow” feeling I was expecting. Of course it’s better, of course it’s bigger, but I didn’t experience the incredible renewal that was sometimes suggested in Air France’s communication.
- The absence of overhead storage above the seat is, at best, very strange. I travel very light, and even so I found the space available to store luggage absolutely ridiculous. I can’t imagine what it must be like for some passengers who travel with several handbags or who have done a lot of shopping at the airport before boarding.
- My tablet was CATASTROPHIC. I honestly don’t know if it was bugged. It was slow—so slow that I gave up using it after a while. It really felt like using a computer from 20 years ago when I was trying to display the list of movies. Its default position is also very poorly designed when you’re seated, as it forces you to twist your neck to use it.
- The curtain between my seat and my neighbor’s didn’t work from the start. Apparently that’s quite common. Three crew members tried to fix it using the “backup system,” then eventually gave up and pulled the curtain manually and closed it as best they could. It felt very cheap.
- I struggle a bit with the idea of one flight attendant for four passengers. The flight departed at 10 p.m., and we had strong turbulence at the beginning so everyone had to remain seated for quite a while. As a result, the time needed to serve four meals and prepare four beds meant that the waiting times were honestly long—very long at times. It might be worth considering some additional help at least during the peak meal service.
Last edited by malfouf; Mar 10, 2026 at 1:53 am
Mar 10, 2026 | 2:02 am
#1185
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: CDG
Programs: AF/KL Plat, Marriott Plat
Posts: 4,536
I don't think any of us should feel bad for pointing out the flaws of the P experience just because we're privileged enough to fly it in the first place (and besides, most people on this forum are not the kind of person to book P without thinking twice because the cost is immaterial). AF P is positioned and priced as the very best global aviation has to offer other than flying private, and it's important to call them out in areas where this promise is simply not delivered on. Of course a mediocre P experience is still better than the best J experience, I don't think anyone says otherwise, but that's beside the point.