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Old Nov 29, 2023, 11:37 am
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Copied from Xyzzy's post:

I think this sums up what to do pretty well:
  • Airline checkin in the US for departure to EU
    • Right now you can show either EU or US (but airline execs I know and have discussed this with suggest giving the airline your US passport).
    • In the future, when ETIAS comes into force, show the EU passport to the airline because the EU will require that data to be sent ahead of the flight.
    • re: the above two comments, it currently doesn't matter which you use from a US perspective. If you are a US citizen, departing the US on an EU passport you've not entered the US with is not going to cause any problems.
  • Immigration on arrival in the EU
    • Show the EU passport because you are a citizen and many/most countries require citizens to show their passports to enter.
  • Airline checkin in the EU for departure to the US
    • Show your US passport to the airline as the US requires you to enter on your US passport and APIS data sent ahead of the flight needs to contain your US data.
  • Immigration departing the EU
    • Show the EU passport that you entered the EU with. The fact that you gave a different passport to the airline will not cause any problem.
  • At the gate for a flight departing to the US: You may be asked to verify your travel documents at the gate before departure and so only show your US passport in this case.
  • Immigration arriving the US
    • Show the US passport you showed to the airline.
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Old Jun 22, 2023 | 7:48 am
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Originally Posted by txp
Very interesting situation you describe.

I think a solution would be to lobby the airlines to allow passengers to enter two documents: a travel document to exit the origin country (used for the departure APIS) and another one to enter the destination country (used for arrival APIS). Apparently, the technology exists, but they have not been willing to implement it.
I can't believe this isn't an option yet, given the amount of people that have dual passports. It shouldn't be that hard to implement really.
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Old Jun 22, 2023 | 4:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Howard
At SAN and possibly at other US airports (?), they are now using CBP facial recognition for boarding international flights. In this scenario you don't present your boarding pass or a passport to board the aircraft. Instead, you simply walk up to the facial recognition device, and if it's green, you board the flight. If someone is a dual US/Canada citizen, is this facial recognition matching against their Canadian or US passport? Does it depend on which passport was used at checkin? If it's using the Canadian passport, wouldn't that be a concern with respect to the requirement to exit the US with a US passport?

For example, for scenario 3 above, would CBP match against the Canadian passport and therefore think the passenger is exiting the USA on a Canadian passport? Or, is the system smart enough to know that the passenger is a dual citizen?

Similarly, for scenario 2 above, if CBP matches against the US passport, that would satisfy the exit requirement, but if the Canadian passport is used on arrival, it would conflict with any passenger information the airline transmitted to CBSA. My understanding is that the airline generally wants you to checkin with the passport you're using at your destination.

Bottom line question - at an airport with CBP facial recognition for boarding, is scenario 2 or scenario 3 the correct practice? (Let's assume it's not scenario 1 because the passenger intends to use their Canadian passport upon arrival in Canada.)
Originally Posted by simpleSnow
I can't believe this isn't an option yet, given the amount of people that have dual passports. It shouldn't be that hard to implement really.
Once again Im not sure why people here are so fixated that travel document airline captured and passport presented by traveler to authorities have to match.
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Old Jun 22, 2023 | 5:38 pm
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Originally Posted by seawolf
Once again I’m not sure why people here are so fixated that travel document airline captured and passport presented by traveler to authorities have to match.
In my opinion, the reason why people are confused about this issue, is that DHS recently introduced a pre-departure APIS requirement whereby airlines are required to transmit to DHS passport information, including country of issuance, for all departing passengers.

Thus, an airline that takes passengers from NYC to Paris not only serves as an agent for the French Border Police (to whom they transmit the arrival APIS) but also serves as an agent for DHS (to whom they send the pre-departure APIS). My understanding is that this dual agency role is relatively new. Because DHS uses the pre-departure APIS for enforcement purposes, a reasonable person would conclude that the passport used for pre-departure APIS is the one you use to "exit the US."

The best solution here would be to convince airlines to allow passengers to have a departure APIS separate from the arrival APIS if they chose to do so.

Until then, my personal view is that one should always "exit the US" with a US passport.

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Old Jun 22, 2023 | 6:06 pm
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Originally Posted by seawolf
Once again Im not sure why people here are so fixated that travel document airline captured and passport presented by traveler to authorities have to match.
Because if a kiosk or computer is not expecting you, it will kick you to a human or it will take longer. Another poster already explained a reason to avoid complications.

I learned that lesson in 2013 when I gave UA my US passport but wanted to be admitted as BNO at LHR. The officer was not happy, but could not deny me. It took a little extra time to override/reconcile/whateverhehadtodo.
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Old Jun 22, 2023 | 6:27 pm
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Originally Posted by HkCaGu
Because if a kiosk or computer is not expecting you, it will kick you to a human or it will take longer. Another poster already explained a reason to avoid complications.

I learned that lesson in 2013 when I gave UA my US passport but wanted to be admitted as BNO at LHR. The officer was not happy, but could not deny me. It took a little extra time to override/reconcile/whateverhehadtodo.
Would you then agree that we need a two-APIS solution?
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Old Jun 22, 2023 | 6:32 pm
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Originally Posted by HkCaGu
Because if a kiosk or computer is not expecting you, it will kick you to a human or it will take longer.
That is not the case for US-EU/Schengen/Canadian dual-nationals using their non-US nationality passports at non-US ports of entry where they have the non-US passport being scanned at the counters/kiosks on arrival in their country/region of citizenship.

Even for dual US-UK citizen passport users, using the UK citizen passport — BNO passport users don’t have the same UK entry allowance as UK citizens — at UK egates works just fine even when having flown into the UK with only the US passport and US passport details presented to the airline flying ORD/IAD/JFK/MSP/EWR/BOS/DFW/ATL/MIA/CLT/IAH-LHR.

It works just fine for my US dual-citizen travel party members as is.
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Old Jun 22, 2023 | 6:43 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
That is not the case for US-EU/Schengen/Canadian dual-nationals using their non-US nationality passports at non-US ports of entry where they have the non-US passport being scanned at the counters/kiosks on arrival in their country/region of citizenship.

Even for dual US-UK citizen passport users, using the UK citizen passport — BNO passport users don’t have the same UK entry allowance as UK citizens — at UK egates works just fine even when having flown into the UK with only the US passport and US passport details presented to the airline flying ORD/IAD/JFK/MSP/EWR/BOS/DFW/ATL/MIA/CLT/IAH-LHR.

It works just fine for my US dual-citizen travel party members as is.
I agree with you. I think the difference here is that the BNO passport does not give someone an unconditional right of abode in the UK, so you are still subject to immigration checks.

But, if your destination country is one where you have a fundamental right to live, I expect no problems. For instance, as a dual US/CAN citizen, I never had any issues clearing CBSA with a Canadian passport despite having used my US passport in APIS to "exit the US."

In the same spirit, I could see how an EU citizen arriving at a Schengen border will be automatically admitted regardless of whether he or she had used a US passport in APIS.

Still, I feel that we need to push airlines to allow for two APIS records. This would be much simpler, particularly after ETIAS is introduced.
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Old Jun 22, 2023 | 8:04 pm
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Originally Posted by HkCaGu
Because if a kiosk or computer is not expecting you, it will kick you to a human or it will take longer. Another poster already explained a reason to avoid complications.

I learned that lesson in 2013 when I gave UA my US passport but wanted to be admitted as BNO at LHR. The officer was not happy, but could not deny me. It took a little extra time to override/reconcile/whateverhehadtodo.
How do we arrive this is root cause for the delay?

Do you even know if UA was even passing it along or that data is even used during traveler inspection?

e-Borders was scrapped due to missing timelines/promises. Only 11 air carriers were providing submissions in 2013 (see 5.4 on page 16) and there is no indication that data is even being used to drive any kiosks or during inspection as the primary benefit of matching against watch list itself wasnt even utilized as promised.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...s_Oct_2013.pdf
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Originally Posted by seawolf
How do we arrive this is root cause for the delay?

Do you even know if UA was even passing it along or that data is even used during traveler inspection?

e-Borders was scrapped due to missing timelines/promises. Only 11 air carriers were providing submissions in 2013 (see 5.4 on page 16) and there is no indication that data is even being used to drive any kiosks or during inspection as the primary benefit of matching against watch list itself wasnt even utilized as promised.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...s_Oct_2013.pdf
I see 5.4 talking about PNR, not API.

I had two foreign passports, none of which qualified for egates at the time. The officer questioned why I wasnt using the US passport which I hadnt shown. He knew from whatever he saw.

Canada didnt use API until a few years ago. Schengen remains disorganized.
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Old Jun 23, 2023 | 6:18 am
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Originally Posted by HkCaGu (Post # 547)
I learned that lesson in 2013 when I gave UA my US passport but wanted to be admitted as BNO at LHR. The officer was not happy, but could not deny me. It took a little extra time to override/reconcile/whateverhehadtodo.
Originally Posted by txp (Post # 550)
I agree with you. I think the difference here is that the BNO passport does not give someone an unconditional right of abode in the UK, so you are still subject to immigration checks.

But, if your destination country is one where you have a fundamental right to live, I expect no problems.
BNO = British National (Overseas)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit...seas)_passport
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Old Jun 23, 2023 | 6:55 am
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Originally Posted by SPN Lifer
Precisely.

According to this link, "BN(O) citizens do not have the right of abode in the UK" (emphasis added).

Granted, BNO does provide a fast-track to UK permanent residence and eventually full UK citizenship, but this requires an application process as opposed to being an entitlement.

I am not an expert in this but it seems to me that the word "British" in BNO is a bit misleading. The "overseas" part of the BNO is what matters, and this is what precludes the holder from having the unrestricted right to live in the UK.

In short, entering the UK as a BNO seems entitle the holder to slightly more privileges when compared to entering as a US Citizen, although the BNO citizen still falls short of benefiting from the full privileges of UK citizenship.

Additional information regarding BNO is available here:

https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-...ional-overseas

Note the following: "[You] are subject to immigration controls and do not have the automatic right to live or work in the UK."
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Old Jun 27, 2023 | 5:43 pm
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Originally Posted by iamflyer
I'm sure the vast majority of US-EU dual citizens are not thinking about APIS and any US exit requirements and just give the airlines whatever they need to do to get a boarding pass. No regulation says anywhere that US citizens must make sure the airlines transmit their US Passport as APIS. As a US/EU dual citizen, on flights to the EU I just check in with my US passport because it's easiest and I'm lazy but if ETIAS ever actually gets implemented I'll start checking in with my EU passport if heading there and don't expect any issues. I'll be bearing my US passport as I leave, satisfying the law and regulation, and CBP may do as they please with the APIS mismatch.

US Exit APIS is 10+ years old and I'm sure there are tons of mismatches everyday. US Citizens flying on different passports, foreigners in the US that are leaving on a different passport than they arrive (dual citizens, lost their passport and got a new one, expired passport renewed) and we don't hear about people being stopped.

My personal experience with the CBP exit biometrics/automated boarding gates is if it doesn't recognize you the gate agent just looks at your boarding pass and passport and manually boards you.
Fully agree with you. This particular scenario seems to come up a lot in this thread and I'm not sure why. I'm a US-EU dual citizen. Here's how I've done it, and it's never been a problem -

US -> EU
Airline Check-in: EU passport (online) or (check-in counter) both passports and let them figure it out (the airline just needs to know that you can enter where you're going)
Any interaction with a US official: US passport (Note: This has never happened to me outbound - I don't think the US has actual exit controls)
Arrival: EU passport - one family member is US only, so sometimes we're directed as a family to the EU lane and other times to non-EU, but same process

In the above, I have flown into my EU country of citizenship, as well as a different EU country. No issues either way.

EU -> US
Airline Check-in: US passport
Exit control or any interaction with an EU official: EU passport
Arrival: US passport + Global Entry

The last time we went, we flew Air France out of Seattle and they were using facial recognition for boarding - no problem. On the return, we pre-cleared in Dublin and flew Aer Lingus, no problem at all with GE. With the disclaimer that this isn't legal advice and just to the best of my knowledge, the only thing you must do is when interacting with an official of a government that considers you its citizen, present the passport of that country to them. The airline is not a government official, and the US doesn't have exit controls that require me to do anything specific (again, to my knowledge). And when ETIAS goes live, I don't see how you can do anything but the process above. Again, all to the best of my knowledge, but we've never had a problem with check-in or a border official on either side.
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Old Jun 27, 2023 | 7:05 pm
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Originally Posted by PWMTrav
Fully agree with you. This particular scenario seems to come up a lot in this thread and I'm not sure why. I'm a US-EU dual citizen. Here's how I've done it, and it's never been a problem -

US -> EU
Airline Check-in: EU passport (online) or (check-in counter) both passports and let them figure it out (the airline just needs to know that you can enter where you're going)
Any interaction with a US official: US passport (Note: This has never happened to me outbound - I don't think the US has actual exit controls)
Arrival: EU passport - one family member is US only, so sometimes we're directed as a family to the EU lane and other times to non-EU, but same process

In the above, I have flown into my EU country of citizenship, as well as a different EU country. No issues either way.

EU -> US
Airline Check-in: US passport
Exit control or any interaction with an EU official: EU passport
Arrival: US passport + Global Entry

The last time we went, we flew Air France out of Seattle and they were using facial recognition for boarding - no problem. On the return, we pre-cleared in Dublin and flew Aer Lingus, no problem at all with GE. With the disclaimer that this isn't legal advice and just to the best of my knowledge, the only thing you must do is when interacting with an official of a government that considers you its citizen, present the passport of that country to them. The airline is not a government official, and the US doesn't have exit controls that require me to do anything specific (again, to my knowledge). And when ETIAS goes live, I don't see how you can do anything but the process above. Again, all to the best of my knowledge, but we've never had a problem with check-in or a border official on either side.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. This seems to be the consensus on this website.
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Old Jun 28, 2023 | 4:35 am
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Originally Posted by PWMTrav
Fully agree with you. This particular scenario seems to come up a lot in this thread and I'm not sure why. I'm a US-EU dual citizen. Here's how I've done it, and it's never been a problem -

US -> EU
Airline Check-in: EU passport (online) or (check-in counter) both passports and let them figure it out (the airline just needs to know that you can enter where you're going)
Any interaction with a US official: US passport (Note: This has never happened to me outbound - I don't think the US has actual exit controls)
Arrival: EU passport - one family member is US only, so sometimes we're directed as a family to the EU lane and other times to non-EU, but same process

In the above, I have flown into my EU country of citizenship, as well as a different EU country. No issues either way.

EU -> US
Airline Check-in: US passport
Exit control or any interaction with an EU official: EU passport
Arrival: US passport + Global Entry

The last time we went, we flew Air France out of Seattle and they were using facial recognition for boarding - no problem. On the return, we pre-cleared in Dublin and flew Aer Lingus, no problem at all with GE. With the disclaimer that this isn't legal advice and just to the best of my knowledge, the only thing you must do is when interacting with an official of a government that considers you its citizen, present the passport of that country to them. The airline is not a government official, and the US doesn't have exit controls that require me to do anything specific (again, to my knowledge). And when ETIAS goes live, I don't see how you can do anything but the process above. Again, all to the best of my knowledge, but we've never had a problem with check-in or a border official on either side.
What passport do you buy the ticket with? Of course this works if the two passports have no differences between each other (e.g. name spelling or name order).
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Originally Posted by simpleSnow
What passport do you buy the ticket with? Of course this works if the two passports have no differences between each other (e.g. name spelling or name order).
Name order and spelling different?

JOHN ROBERT DOE on one passport and BOB JOHN DOE on another or DOE BOB JOHN or some other permutation??
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