Nov 29, 2023, 11:37 am
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Copied from Xyzzy's post:
I think this sums up what to do pretty well:
I think this sums up what to do pretty well:
- Airline checkin in the US for departure to EU
- Right now you can show either EU or US (but airline execs I know and have discussed this with suggest giving the airline your US passport).
- In the future, when ETIAS comes into force, show the EU passport to the airline because the EU will require that data to be sent ahead of the flight.
- re: the above two comments, it currently doesn't matter which you use from a US perspective. If you are a US citizen, departing the US on an EU passport you've not entered the US with is not going to cause any problems.
- Immigration on arrival in the EU
- Show the EU passport because you are a citizen and many/most countries require citizens to show their passports to enter.
- Airline checkin in the EU for departure to the US
- Show your US passport to the airline as the US requires you to enter on your US passport and APIS data sent ahead of the flight needs to contain your US data.
- Immigration departing the EU
- Show the EU passport that you entered the EU with. The fact that you gave a different passport to the airline will not cause any problem.
- At the gate for a flight departing to the US: You may be asked to verify your travel documents at the gate before departure and so only show your US passport in this case.
- Immigration arriving the US
- Show the US passport you showed to the airline.
Dual Citizen Traveling from/to the US, which Passport to show/use, where?
Oct 18, 2022, 5:36 pm
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The passport used for airline check-in in the US need not match the arrival passport that the US-EU dual-citizens presents to passport control on arrival in the EU/Schengen area.
The US-EU/Schengen country dual-citizens in my travel parties generally show/use their US passports for checking in (API type field loading) and boarding for their US to Europe flights; and then they just show their European passports to EU/Schengen passport control on arrival. It’s not been a problem.
If checking in with the European passport for the US-EU/Schengen flights, that hasn’t been a problem yet for them. But the growth of CBP’s biometric exit control has me telling them to stick to using the US passport in API type fields for exiting the US too on the way to Europe.
I've searched and I'm trying to get a definitive answer to this, and I'm too inside my own head to figure this out.
American/French dual citizen is leaving the US to go to France. The US CBP says you need to leave and enter the US on your US passport. So that would mean that you should use the US passport during airline check in since that is the information sent to CBP. However, you would want to use the French passport for check in, because that is the info sent through APIS to immigration in France prior to arrival.
I know you can hand the French passport to immigration on arrival, but when you use automated kiosks, doesn't the passport have to match APIS information, the same way Global Entry matches your flight on arrival back to the US?
So which passport do you give the airline?
American/French dual citizen is leaving the US to go to France. The US CBP says you need to leave and enter the US on your US passport. So that would mean that you should use the US passport during airline check in since that is the information sent to CBP. However, you would want to use the French passport for check in, because that is the info sent through APIS to immigration in France prior to arrival.
I know you can hand the French passport to immigration on arrival, but when you use automated kiosks, doesn't the passport have to match APIS information, the same way Global Entry matches your flight on arrival back to the US?
So which passport do you give the airline?
If checking in with the European passport for the US-EU/Schengen flights, that hasn’t been a problem yet for them. But the growth of CBP’s biometric exit control has me telling them to stick to using the US passport in API type fields for exiting the US too on the way to Europe.
Oct 18, 2022, 7:28 pm
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Ok, I guess this is my question. When arriving into the US, the global entry kiosk matches your face to your flight record and info. So I wanted to know if when arriving in the EU if the passport info given to the airline should be the French passport so it matches at the kiosk so you just pass through.
I should stop mentioning APIS as that’s a CBP system. I’m asking about the EU API system and if the airline check in passport should match with the arrival passport.
Hope I’m making sense!
I should stop mentioning APIS as that’s a CBP system. I’m asking about the EU API system and if the airline check in passport should match with the arrival passport.
Hope I’m making sense!
Oct 18, 2022, 8:57 pm
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Ok, I guess this is my question. When arriving into the US, the global entry kiosk matches your face to your flight record and info. So I wanted to know if when arriving in the EU if the passport info given to the airline should be the French passport so it matches at the kiosk so you just pass through.
I should stop mentioning APIS as that’s a CBP system. I’m asking about the EU API system and if the airline check in passport should match with the arrival passport.
Hope I’m making sense!
I should stop mentioning APIS as that’s a CBP system. I’m asking about the EU API system and if the airline check in passport should match with the arrival passport.
Hope I’m making sense!
u will be allowed into France with your French passport if your airline has different passport info in your reservation. This happens all the time.
Oct 19, 2022, 10:37 am
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It is easy to overthink/get confused about this because the various documents and same information are being used by various entities for separate but sometimes overlapping purposes.
Oct 22, 2022, 6:59 pm
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Timatic also indicates passport exempt when traveling to/from US/Canada with NEXUS card. Try doing that on UA/DL/AA. Even with AC, it has not been 100% successful as per data points on FT.
Thus my prior post, it will be up to the carrier. Passport is the only document that is universally recognized.
One can go complain to that the airline didn't follow Timatic after the fact but they would have already missed their flight.
Thus my prior post, it will be up to the carrier. Passport is the only document that is universally recognized.
One can go complain to that the airline didn't follow Timatic after the fact but they would have already missed their flight.
Oct 22, 2022, 7:06 pm
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Timatic also indicates passport exempt when traveling to/from US/Canada with NEXUS card. Try doing that on UA/DL/AA. Even with AC, it has not been 100% successful as per data points on FT.
Thus my prior post, it will be up to the carrier. Passport is the only document that will be universally acceptable.
One can go complain to that the airline didn't follow Timatic after the fact but they would have already missed their flight.
Thus my prior post, it will be up to the carrier. Passport is the only document that will be universally acceptable.
One can go complain to that the airline didn't follow Timatic after the fact but they would have already missed their flight.
Now if my friend tried to board with only his national ID card and did not show his US passport that would ring alarm bells.
Oct 23, 2022, 8:10 am
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Why wouldn't it be treated in the same way as a German citizen with a green card (or for that matter a Nigerian citizen with a green card) flying to the US? It seems that the airlines are accustomed to a passenger carrying a passport but also possessing another document that shows they have the right to enter the destination country.
Now if my friend tried to board with only his national ID card and did not show his US passport that would ring alarm bells.
Now if my friend tried to board with only his national ID card and did not show his US passport that would ring alarm bells.
So in either case, passenger is fundamentally correct but standing their ground could mean not allowing to board/missing flight until the obstacle is resolved. Show up to the airport early.
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Oct 24, 2022, 9:00 am
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Nov 13, 2022, 3:10 pm
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International travel with about to expire passport (double citizenship)
Hopefully the right forum to post; could not find anything better.
I’m scheduled to travel to a EU country in December, coming back in early January.
My US passport expires just a few days after my ticketed return date, but I also have a EU passport valid for a few more years.
The airline only refers me to a website, which says that the country requires a passport valid for 3 months beyond expected stay.
I know I will have no issues when entering that EU country, but will the US airline cause trouble, even if I show them my EU passport ?
I’m scheduled to travel to a EU country in December, coming back in early January.
My US passport expires just a few days after my ticketed return date, but I also have a EU passport valid for a few more years.
The airline only refers me to a website, which says that the country requires a passport valid for 3 months beyond expected stay.
I know I will have no issues when entering that EU country, but will the US airline cause trouble, even if I show them my EU passport ?
Nov 13, 2022, 3:15 pm
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Hopefully the right forum to post; could not find anything better.
I’m scheduled to travel to a EU country in December, coming back in early January.
My US passport expires just a few days after my ticketed return date, but I also have a EU passport valid for a few more years.
The airline only refers me to a website, which says that the country requires a passport valid for 3 months beyond expected stay.
I know I will have no issues when entering that EU country, but will the US airline cause trouble, even if I show them my EU passport ?
I’m scheduled to travel to a EU country in December, coming back in early January.
My US passport expires just a few days after my ticketed return date, but I also have a EU passport valid for a few more years.
The airline only refers me to a website, which says that the country requires a passport valid for 3 months beyond expected stay.
I know I will have no issues when entering that EU country, but will the US airline cause trouble, even if I show them my EU passport ?
better thread is on destinations USA
therr is a lot of passport talk going on and threads along these lines.
i don’t know what US policy is on a returning citizen with an about to expire passport. I’m guessing they let you in.
why did you not re- new the US passport?
Nov 13, 2022, 3:21 pm
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This seems better suited to one of the Travel Safety & Security forums, so I will move it there.
However, I believe the airlines are very likely to balk on letting you onto a flight to the EU in December with under 90 days of validity remaining on your passport.
IMHO, you may be best served by doing an expedited passport renewal of some sort before your travel.
However, I believe the airlines are very likely to balk on letting you onto a flight to the EU in December with under 90 days of validity remaining on your passport.
IMHO, you may be best served by doing an expedited passport renewal of some sort before your travel.
Nov 13, 2022, 3:57 pm
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The reason I'm asking is that while the ticket I'm holding has dates as described, I may need to travel earlier and having my passport renewal being processed effectively means I would have no (US) passport.
Whereas, after mid January I'm certain not to have to travel internationally for many months, making this the ideal time for renewing my passport.
Do I understand exerda's reply correctly, in that the US airline (Delta) might object to me flying out of the country with a passport only valid for a few more weeks, even though the return is already booked within the passport validity date ?
On their website they only mention the destination country requiring a 3 month minimum validity
Whereas, after mid January I'm certain not to have to travel internationally for many months, making this the ideal time for renewing my passport.
Do I understand exerda's reply correctly, in that the US airline (Delta) might object to me flying out of the country with a passport only valid for a few more weeks, even though the return is already booked within the passport validity date ?
On their website they only mention the destination country requiring a 3 month minimum validity
Nov 13, 2022, 5:11 pm
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It's difficult because DL won't care that you have an EU passport since you can only enter your US passport information for APIS--but it won't matter once you land in the EU (and the US will always allow citizens to return even with an expired passport).
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