Mar 11, 2019, 12:37 pm
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The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Now that UA MAX flights have resumed, see UA statement at All about the Boeing 737 MAX: Safety, status and more
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The first B737 MAX, an enhanced version of the B737 family, started service in May 2016, a MAX 8. MAX 9 entered service March 2018. (UA service start date??)
The MAX series was ground in March 2019 after two incidents involve the MCAS; Lion Air Flight 610 - Wikipedia and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 - Wikipedia
United did not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it had operated the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) were grounded. Boeing in conjunction with FAA, EASA, Transport Canada and other national air safety organizations entered into a cause investigation, into the MCAS operation, into if sufficient training had been provided and into if the original certification process had been sufficient rigid.
Preliminary Summary of the FAAs Review of the Boeing 737 MAX (PDF).
The FAA (18 Nov 2020), EASA (24 Nov 2020) and Transport Canada (17 Dec 2020) have re-certified the MAX 8 & MAX 9 for commercial flight
Boeing 737 MAX certification - Wikipedia
AA resumed use of MAX8 on 29 Dec 2020
UA plans to resumes service of the MAX9 in Feb 2020 (from IAH and DEN)
Airlines have resumed taking deliveries of the MAX 8 & 9
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How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
B737MAX Recertification - Archive
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Now that UA MAX flights have resumed, see UA statement at All about the Boeing 737 MAX: Safety, status and more
If you do not wish to fly on a MAX aircraft, we will rebook you at no charge or refund your ticket. This includes domestic ticket changes, Basic Economy tickets and international tickets if you move from one of our MAX flights to one of our non-MAX United or United Express flights. If your original itinerary involved another carrier, we will attempt to rebook you on your original airline on a non-MAX flight as well.
When we begin to fly the MAX once again, you should feel completely confident that we have taken all the necessary steps to confirm that our 737 MAX aircraft are as safe as any of our aircraft flying today. Safety has been and always will be our top priority, and its something we will never compromise for any reason.
When we begin to fly the MAX once again, you should feel completely confident that we have taken all the necessary steps to confirm that our 737 MAX aircraft are as safe as any of our aircraft flying today. Safety has been and always will be our top priority, and its something we will never compromise for any reason.
We will waive any applicable change fees or difference in fare if your rebooked flight:
If you dont meet these conditions but still want to rebook, you may use the value of your ticket to rebook on another flight without a change fee, but a fare difference may apply based on the fare rules of the ticket.
- Has the same origin and destination as your original flight
- Is in your originally ticketed cabin (any booking code)
- Is rescheduled for the same day or one day earlier or later than your original travel date
- Is a United or United Express flight only
If you dont meet these conditions but still want to rebook, you may use the value of your ticket to rebook on another flight without a change fee, but a fare difference may apply based on the fare rules of the ticket.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.
The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
Bottom line, if you can not stay within the FT rules and the forum's topic areas, please do not post.
And before posting, ask if you are bringing new contributing information to the discussion -- not just repeating previous points, then please do not post.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
This thread has engendered some strongly felt opinions and a great tendency to wander into many peripherally related topics. By all normal FT moderation standards, this thread would have been permanently closed long ago ( and numerous members receiving disciplinary actions).
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
The first B737 MAX, an enhanced version of the B737 family, started service in May 2016, a MAX 8. MAX 9 entered service March 2018. (UA service start date??)
The MAX series was ground in March 2019 after two incidents involve the MCAS; Lion Air Flight 610 - Wikipedia and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 - Wikipedia
United did not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it had operated the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) were grounded. Boeing in conjunction with FAA, EASA, Transport Canada and other national air safety organizations entered into a cause investigation, into the MCAS operation, into if sufficient training had been provided and into if the original certification process had been sufficient rigid.
Preliminary Summary of the FAAs Review of the Boeing 737 MAX (PDF).
The FAA (18 Nov 2020), EASA (24 Nov 2020) and Transport Canada (17 Dec 2020) have re-certified the MAX 8 & MAX 9 for commercial flight
Boeing 737 MAX certification - Wikipedia
AA resumed use of MAX8 on 29 Dec 2020
UA plans to resumes service of the MAX9 in Feb 2020 (from IAH and DEN)
Airlines have resumed taking deliveries of the MAX 8 & 9
================
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
B737MAX Recertification - Archive
B737MAX-Cleared by FAA to resume passenger flights;UA MAX flights resumed 11 Feb 2020
Aug 9, 2020 | 11:53 am
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Moderator Note
This thread has engendered some strongly felt opinions and a great tendency to wander into many peripherally related topics. By all normal FT moderation standards, this thread would have been permanently closed long ago ( and numerous members receiving disciplinary actions).
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
This thread has engendered some strongly felt opinions and a great tendency to wander into many peripherally related topics. By all normal FT moderation standards, this thread would have been permanently closed long ago ( and numerous members receiving disciplinary actions).
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Aug 9, 2020 at 12:10 pm
Aug 10, 2020 | 6:53 am
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I am a little confused by UNITED's MAX airplanes. Are they ALLOWED to be in the air currently, without passengers?
According to this site: https://simpleflying.com/united-airl...7-max-flights/
United flew a MAX on June 29th, 2020 from Arizona to Florida for maintenance, but it appears they posted a wrong Flightaware link:
"United Airlines Flew A Boeing 737 MAX Across The US Yesterday
...According to FlightAware, a United 737 MAX 9 took off from Goodyear, Arizona, at 13:43 MST to fly all the way to the east coast of the US. It took only four hours and 18 minutes to reach its destination of Orlando, Florida, at 21:01 EDT. Registration N37513 was performing flight number UA2708 for a total distance of 1,993 mi (3207 km)...."
But if you check the tail number N37513, that plane did indeed fly on July 16th, 2020 from Florida back to Arizona (presumably after maintenance & back into storage?):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N37513
So, United is apparently still flying tests and performing maintenance on their stored MAXs?
Aug 10, 2020 | 7:42 am
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I am a little confused by UNITED's MAX airplanes. Are they ALLOWED to be in the air currently, without passengers?
According to this site: https://simpleflying.com/united-airl...7-max-flights/
United flew a MAX on June 29th, 2020 from Arizona to Florida for maintenance, but it appears they posted a wrong Flightaware link:
"United Airlines Flew A Boeing 737 MAX Across The US Yesterday
...According to FlightAware, a United 737 MAX 9 took off from Goodyear, Arizona, at 13:43 MST to fly all the way to the east coast of the US. It took only four hours and 18 minutes to reach its destination of Orlando, Florida, at 21:01 EDT. Registration N37513 was performing flight number UA2708 for a total distance of 1,993 mi (3207 km)...."
But if you check the tail number N37513, that plane did indeed fly on July 16th, 2020 from Florida back to Arizona (presumably after maintenance & back into storage?):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N37513
So, United is apparently still flying tests and performing maintenance on their stored MAXs?
According to this site: https://simpleflying.com/united-airl...7-max-flights/
United flew a MAX on June 29th, 2020 from Arizona to Florida for maintenance, but it appears they posted a wrong Flightaware link:
"United Airlines Flew A Boeing 737 MAX Across The US Yesterday
...According to FlightAware, a United 737 MAX 9 took off from Goodyear, Arizona, at 13:43 MST to fly all the way to the east coast of the US. It took only four hours and 18 minutes to reach its destination of Orlando, Florida, at 21:01 EDT. Registration N37513 was performing flight number UA2708 for a total distance of 1,993 mi (3207 km)...."
But if you check the tail number N37513, that plane did indeed fly on July 16th, 2020 from Florida back to Arizona (presumably after maintenance & back into storage?):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N37513
So, United is apparently still flying tests and performing maintenance on their stored MAXs?
I **think** it is typically used in the private plane world if a plane was sitting and passed a maintenance check and they need to fly the plane to a place to get the maintenance done - as long as all other maintenance is up to date and the plane passes a pretty thorough visual inspection, then the FAA grants the exception.
Aug 10, 2020 | 8:14 am
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That is correct, you can petition the FAA and get a one time certificate to fly the plane - I think they are called "Special Airworthiness Directive" and an inspector looks over records etc and allows the plane to fly
I **think** it is typically used in the private plane world if a plane was sitting and passed a maintenance check and they need to fly the plane to a place to get the maintenance done - as long as all other maintenance is up to date and the plane passes a pretty thorough visual inspection, then the FAA grants the exception.
I **think** it is typically used in the private plane world if a plane was sitting and passed a maintenance check and they need to fly the plane to a place to get the maintenance done - as long as all other maintenance is up to date and the plane passes a pretty thorough visual inspection, then the FAA grants the exception.
Thanks!
If true, I still find it interesting that United was allowed to fly one of their MAXs (June 29) during the same time when Boeing was performing re-certification tests (June 28 to July 1).
Does anyone know what the "maintenance" was on N37513 in Florida?
Could it be that this plane was already given some software update, so that United could do their own testing on the flight back to Arizona?
Aug 10, 2020 | 8:52 am
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Thanks!
If true, I still find it interesting that United was allowed to fly one of their MAXs (June 29) during the same time when Boeing was performing re-certification tests (June 28 to July 1).
Does anyone know what the "maintenance" was on N37513 in Florida?
Could it be that this plane was already given some software update, so that United could do their own testing on the flight back to Arizona?
If true, I still find it interesting that United was allowed to fly one of their MAXs (June 29) during the same time when Boeing was performing re-certification tests (June 28 to July 1).
Does anyone know what the "maintenance" was on N37513 in Florida?
Could it be that this plane was already given some software update, so that United could do their own testing on the flight back to Arizona?
Aug 10, 2020 | 9:36 am
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Aug 10, 2020 | 10:24 am
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Airlines around the world have been flying the MAXs as necessary for maintenance and storage throughout the grounding. Not doing certification flights for the software update.
Aug 10, 2020 | 2:49 pm
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Moving an otherwise grounded aircraft can be accomplished under a ferry permit. The ferry permit will contain authorizations, and restrictions, as appropriate based on the reason why the airplane wasn't considered airworthy under the normal rules.
Aug 30, 2020 | 12:52 pm
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Boeing, Transport Canada pilots to conduct 737 MAX flight test: source, flightaware data
EASA Sets Schedule for 737 Max Validation Flights
The test of safety upgrades comes roughly two months after another flight evaluation by the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). It marks another crucial step in Boeings long-delayed path to resume commercial service of the jetliner.
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The Canadian tests are part of the regulators independent review on whether to validate Boeings proposed changes to the aircraft, Transport Canada has said.
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The Canadian tests are part of the regulators independent review on whether to validate Boeings proposed changes to the aircraft, Transport Canada has said.
The European Union Aviation Safety Agency expects to perform its flight tests on the Boeing 737 Max from Vancouver, Canada, starting the week of September 7, the agency confirmed Thursday. Plans also call for simulator testing to take place at London Gatwick Airport a week earlier, starting September 1, and for Joint Operations Evaluation Board (JOEB) to convene at Gatwick during the week beginning September 14.
The announcement comes a day after Transport Canada began its validation flight testing of the Max between Boeing Field in Seattle and Grant County International Airport in Moses Lake, Washington. Transport Canada personnel boarded the airplane in Vancouver due to logistical considerations associated with Covid-19 travel restrictions and conducted the testing in U.S. airspace.
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The announcement comes a day after Transport Canada began its validation flight testing of the Max between Boeing Field in Seattle and Grant County International Airport in Moses Lake, Washington. Transport Canada personnel boarded the airplane in Vancouver due to logistical considerations associated with Covid-19 travel restrictions and conducted the testing in U.S. airspace.
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Aug 31, 2020 | 12:21 pm
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