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With the sad news from Waterside marking an immediate end of life for the venerable Boeing 747-400, our eyes will be on our bookings as we await news of exactly which replacement aircraft type will take us to our destinations.
Listed below are the routes the 744 served in pre COVID times. Please add notes of replacement aircraft as and when the updates trickle through.
Accra
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER
Austin
Sep: no service
Bahrain
Sep: 3x weekly 777-200ER
Boston
Sep: 2x daily 777-200ER/A350-1000
Cape Town
Sep: 3x weekly 777-300ER
Chicago
Sep: 2x daily 787-9/A350-1000
Dallas Fort Worth
Sep: 1x daily 787-10
Denver
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER
Feb 21: 1 x daily 787-9
Dubai
Sep: 1x daily A350-1000
Houston
Sep: 5x weekly 777-200ER
Johannesburg
Sep: 1x daily 777-300ER
Kuwait City
Sep: 3x weekly 777-200ER
Lagos
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER
Las Vegas
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER (3 class)
Los Angeles
Sep: 2x daily 787-9
Miami
Sep: 1x daily 787-9
Nairobi
Sep: 4x weekly 777-200ER
New York JFK
Sep: 4x daily 777-200ER
Philadelphia
Sep: 1x daily 787-9
Oct onwards: 1x daily A350-1000
Riyadh
Sep: 4x weekly 777-200ER
San Diego
Sep: no service
San Jose, Ca
Sep: no service
October 24th onwards 1x daily 787-9
San Francisco
Sep: 1x daily 777-300ER
Seattle
Sep: 1x daily 787-10
Vancouver
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER
Washington Dulles
Sep: 1x daily A350-1000
Jun 21: BA217/6 787-9
Listed below are the routes the 744 served in pre COVID times. Please add notes of replacement aircraft as and when the updates trickle through.
Accra
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER
Austin
Sep: no service
Bahrain
Sep: 3x weekly 777-200ER
Boston
Sep: 2x daily 777-200ER/A350-1000
Cape Town
Sep: 3x weekly 777-300ER
Chicago
Sep: 2x daily 787-9/A350-1000
Dallas Fort Worth
Sep: 1x daily 787-10
Denver
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER
Feb 21: 1 x daily 787-9
Dubai
Sep: 1x daily A350-1000
Houston
Sep: 5x weekly 777-200ER
Johannesburg
Sep: 1x daily 777-300ER
Kuwait City
Sep: 3x weekly 777-200ER
Lagos
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER
Las Vegas
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER (3 class)
Los Angeles
Sep: 2x daily 787-9
Miami
Sep: 1x daily 787-9
Nairobi
Sep: 4x weekly 777-200ER
New York JFK
Sep: 4x daily 777-200ER
Philadelphia
Sep: 1x daily 787-9
Oct onwards: 1x daily A350-1000
Riyadh
Sep: 4x weekly 777-200ER
San Diego
Sep: no service
San Jose, Ca
Sep: no service
October 24th onwards 1x daily 787-9
San Francisco
Sep: 1x daily 777-300ER
Seattle
Sep: 1x daily 787-10
Vancouver
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER
Washington Dulles
Sep: 1x daily A350-1000
Jun 21: BA217/6 787-9
Replacement aircraft on BA 747 routes
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I havent been through SJC since shelter in place so Im not sure if the work that they needed to accommodate the 744 has even restarted since the local authorities allowed construction to start up again- I doubt it.
Im now grateful that last year one of my SJC flights was canceled and I got one last flight on the queen of the skies into LHR from SFO. Sad I didnt realize at the time it would be my last ever 747 flight.
Id be pretty surprised if the SJC route lasts. Its not like they can rely on corporates. It was great whilst it lasted but now its back to long lines at SFO though may try out a one stop via SEA now that AS is accelerating its One Worls joining date.
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LHR-CPT likely to be a 772?
As CPT cannot yet handle a A380, I believe it is likely that the 744 will be replaced by a 772 if the flight times remain roughly the same. Pre-COVID there were 2 x 744 from LHR daily and 1 x 772 from LGW 3 times a week depending on the time of year. Both legs were flown overnight meaning that the aircraft sat on the ground at CPT for 12 hours before returning to the UK. Whilst the 744's and some (if not all) of the 772's are all paid for this is less of an issue than the newer aircraft like the A351 and 788/9 that need to be earning money. Any thoughts?
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As CPT cannot yet handle a A380, I believe it is likely that the 744 will be replaced by a 772 if the flight times remain roughly the same. Pre-COVID there were 2 x 744 from LHR daily and 1 x 772 from LGW 3 times a week depending on the time of year. Both legs were flown overnight meaning that the aircraft sat on the ground at CPT for 12 hours before returning to the UK. Whilst the 744's and some (if not all) of the 772's are all paid for this is less of an issue than the newer aircraft like the A351 and 788/9 that need to be earning money. Any thoughts?
As each nation is tackling this Covid issue with differing levels of success and all with their own unique set of entry and exit requirements demand will be shaped accordingly no doubt.
Imagining the aircraft configs as they are is probably another gotcha as I imagine they will change significantly. With WTP being the most profitable cabin in terms of revenue per square foot kilometre, I can see F either going for good, or shrinking significantly across the board with a subsequent reduction in club or shifting club into F and using the generated space either way to expand WTP. But then who knows, global economies may well bounce back faster than predicted and modelled, perhaps there will be a slower return.
One thing is likely to be the case however, forget grabbing your favourite seats as soon as they are released, I can see a lot of aircraft route swapping over the next two years coming our way as the situation changes on a nation by nation basis. What may generate some stability in aircraft allocation is the unchanged cargo floorprint in the holds and I imagine, although I could be very wrong as I sometimes am, this may be a decider as the only real reason we ripped out seats on 777s was due to running out of volume, not weight.
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As CPT cannot yet handle a A380, I believe it is likely that the 744 will be replaced by a 772 if the flight times remain roughly the same. Pre-COVID there were 2 x 744 from LHR daily and 1 x 772 from LGW 3 times a week depending on the time of year. Both legs were flown overnight meaning that the aircraft sat on the ground at CPT for 12 hours before returning to the UK. Whilst the 744's and some (if not all) of the 772's are all paid for this is less of an issue than the newer aircraft like the A351 and 788/9 that need to be earning money. Any thoughts?
Once things recover properly (23/24) Id imagine the 777X will appear on one rotation.
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Yes, swapping is likely to become common.
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Handy graphic, but I think the circle-graphics for 77S and 77T are at odds with the text. They show 14 F but the text says no F.
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Thanks for pointing this out. The images have been updated although I am feverously refreshing my browser window to get the updates to show.
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