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Old Jul 17, 2020, 12:26 pm
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With the sad news from Waterside marking an immediate end of life for the venerable Boeing 747-400, our eyes will be on our bookings as we await news of exactly which replacement aircraft type will take us to our destinations.

Listed below are the routes the 744 served in pre COVID times. Please add notes of replacement aircraft as and when the updates trickle through.

Accra
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER

Austin
Sep: no service

Bahrain
Sep: 3x weekly 777-200ER

Boston
Sep: 2x daily 777-200ER/A350-1000

Cape Town
Sep: 3x weekly 777-300ER

Chicago
Sep: 2x daily 787-9/A350-1000

Dallas Fort Worth
Sep: 1x daily 787-10

Denver
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER
Feb 21: 1 x daily 787-9

Dubai
Sep: 1x daily A350-1000

Houston
Sep: 5x weekly 777-200ER

Johannesburg
Sep: 1x daily 777-300ER

Kuwait City
Sep: 3x weekly 777-200ER

Lagos
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER

Las Vegas
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER (3 class)

Los Angeles
Sep: 2x daily 787-9

Miami
Sep: 1x daily 787-9

Nairobi
Sep: 4x weekly 777-200ER

New York JFK
Sep: 4x daily 777-200ER

Philadelphia
Sep: 1x daily 787-9
Oct onwards: 1x daily A350-1000

Riyadh
Sep: 4x weekly 777-200ER

San Diego
Sep: no service

San Jose, Ca
Sep: no service
October 24th onwards 1x daily 787-9

San Francisco
Sep: 1x daily 777-300ER

Seattle
Sep: 1x daily 787-10

Vancouver
Sep: 1x daily 777-200ER

Washington Dulles
Sep: 1x daily A350-1000
Jun 21: BA217/6 787-9










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Old Jul 18, 2020 | 4:20 pm
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Mexico City hasn't been served by 747 for a couple of years now. Has been 789.

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Old Jul 18, 2020 | 5:04 pm
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I dont know if we want to include San Jose (CA). That was planned to switch to a 747 this year.
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Old Jul 18, 2020 | 7:58 pm
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OP, one more for the 747 destinations: SJC. Currently canceled through 8/31, well see if it even sticks around,
Quite. As a resident of the South Bay it has been great for the last couple of years to be able to land back at SJC (HBO only) and be walking in the front door to see the wife and kids within 40 minutes. My PB was 27mins from touch down to home.

I havent been through SJC since shelter in place so Im not sure if the work that they needed to accommodate the 744 has even restarted since the local authorities allowed construction to start up again- I doubt it.

Im now grateful that last year one of my SJC flights was canceled and I got one last flight on the queen of the skies into LHR from SFO. Sad I didnt realize at the time it would be my last ever 747 flight.

Id be pretty surprised if the SJC route lasts. Its not like they can rely on corporates. It was great whilst it lasted but now its back to long lines at SFO though may try out a one stop via SEA now that AS is accelerating its One Worls joining date.
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Old Jul 19, 2020 | 2:55 am
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Any thoughts on likely MIA replacement? A380?
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Old Jul 19, 2020 | 3:00 am
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Originally Posted by redpalmetto
Any thoughts on likely MIA replacement? A380?
must be a good bet for the winter season at least.

must remember though that the cruise industry has died a death which put a lot of bums on seats.
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Old Jul 19, 2020 | 4:14 am
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LHR-CPT likely to be a 772?

As CPT cannot yet handle a A380, I believe it is likely that the 744 will be replaced by a 772 if the flight times remain roughly the same. Pre-COVID there were 2 x 744 from LHR daily and 1 x 772 from LGW 3 times a week depending on the time of year. Both legs were flown overnight meaning that the aircraft sat on the ground at CPT for 12 hours before returning to the UK. Whilst the 744's and some (if not all) of the 772's are all paid for this is less of an issue than the newer aircraft like the A351 and 788/9 that need to be earning money. Any thoughts?
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Old Jul 19, 2020 | 5:49 am
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Originally Posted by bigbadjoe
As CPT cannot yet handle a A380, I believe it is likely that the 744 will be replaced by a 772 if the flight times remain roughly the same. Pre-COVID there were 2 x 744 from LHR daily and 1 x 772 from LGW 3 times a week depending on the time of year. Both legs were flown overnight meaning that the aircraft sat on the ground at CPT for 12 hours before returning to the UK. Whilst the 744's and some (if not all) of the 772's are all paid for this is less of an issue than the newer aircraft like the A351 and 788/9 that need to be earning money. Any thoughts?
It could be any aircraft to be honest. The factors mentioned above really dont mean a thing in the decision making process. A real focus on Min cost and max revenue generation will no doubt be the forthcoming modus operandi.
As each nation is tackling this Covid issue with differing levels of success and all with their own unique set of entry and exit requirements demand will be shaped accordingly no doubt.
Imagining the aircraft configs as they are is probably another gotcha as I imagine they will change significantly. With WTP being the most profitable cabin in terms of revenue per square foot kilometre, I can see F either going for good, or shrinking significantly across the board with a subsequent reduction in club or shifting club into F and using the generated space either way to expand WTP. But then who knows, global economies may well bounce back faster than predicted and modelled, perhaps there will be a slower return.
One thing is likely to be the case however, forget grabbing your favourite seats as soon as they are released, I can see a lot of aircraft route swapping over the next two years coming our way as the situation changes on a nation by nation basis. What may generate some stability in aircraft allocation is the unchanged cargo floorprint in the holds and I imagine, although I could be very wrong as I sometimes am, this may be a decider as the only real reason we ripped out seats on 777s was due to running out of volume, not weight.
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Old Jul 19, 2020 | 6:02 am
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Amateur here, could someone add to the sticky the codes used for the different aircraft?

Im guessing 772 means 777-200 but there are some with X and W I don’t get.
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Old Jul 19, 2020 | 6:06 am
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Amateur here, could someone add to the sticky the codes used for the different aircraft?

Im guessing 772 means 777-200 but there are some with X and W I dont get.
77W = 777-300ER
77X = 777X, most likely to be 777-9
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Old Jul 19, 2020 | 8:32 am
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Originally Posted by RockyRobin
Amateur here, could someone add to the sticky the codes used for the different aircraft?

Im guessing 772 means 777-200 but there are some with X and W I don’t get.
The FlyerTalk art department has come up with a set of slides which cover all long haul aircraft types plus some useful stats thrown in for good measure. Where it mentions "Max operating range" the distance indicates the longest route length BA currently operates the relevant aircraft type. Seating configurations indicated reflect the planned refits programmed at the end of 2021.





















































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Old Jul 19, 2020 | 9:59 am
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Originally Posted by bigbadjoe
As CPT cannot yet handle a A380, I believe it is likely that the 744 will be replaced by a 772 if the flight times remain roughly the same. Pre-COVID there were 2 x 744 from LHR daily and 1 x 772 from LGW 3 times a week depending on the time of year. Both legs were flown overnight meaning that the aircraft sat on the ground at CPT for 12 hours before returning to the UK. Whilst the 744's and some (if not all) of the 772's are all paid for this is less of an issue than the newer aircraft like the A351 and 788/9 that need to be earning money. Any thoughts?
My view is that CPT will get the A350 on one rotation and then either the 787-9 or 77W on the other. The 350 will give them a big WT and WTP uplift. Then the 77W/789 will give a First class offering plus more seats down the back too. The choice between the two will depend on how many CW seats are needed.

Once things recover properly (23/24) Id imagine the 777X will appear on one rotation.
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Old Jul 19, 2020 | 11:11 am
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....One thing is likely to be the case however, forget grabbing your favourite seats as soon as they are released, I can see a lot of aircraft route swapping over the next two years coming our way as the situation changes on a nation by nation basis....
Yes, swapping is likely to become common.

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Old Jul 19, 2020 | 11:17 am
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Originally Posted by Prospero
The FlyerTalk art department has come up with a set of slides which cover all long haul aircraft types plus some useful stats thrown in for good measure.
Handy graphic, but I think the circle-graphics for 77S and 77T are at odds with the text. They show 14 F but the text says no F.
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Old Jul 19, 2020 | 12:37 pm
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Originally Posted by flatlander
Handy graphic, but I think the circle-graphics for 77S and 77T are at odds with the text. They show 14 F but the text says no F.
Thanks for pointing this out. The images have been updated although I am feverously refreshing my browser window to get the updates to show.
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Old Jul 19, 2020 | 2:31 pm
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Originally Posted by TTmex
Mexico City hasn't been served by 747 for a couple of years now. Has been 789.

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indeed and just before was a 388.
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