Covid19: LH Group suspends flights to China [Discussion of China waiver]
#211
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I have never had a good experience with LH refunds, online takes 1 week plus & sometimes it’s weeks.
LX cancelled a tix for me due to current travel restrictions, A class ticket & processed the refund within 24 hrs
For sure now LH has enormous problems but I doubt the German Government will let them go bankrupt
LX cancelled a tix for me due to current travel restrictions, A class ticket & processed the refund within 24 hrs
For sure now LH has enormous problems but I doubt the German Government will let them go bankrupt
#212
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As to your ultimate question, no there is close to zero chance that the German government will permit LH to become insolvent. Moreover, at the time the first series of issues arose, the Covid-19 issue was growing but not thought to deeply affect Western Europe. No reason to believe that LH would be in poor condition.
Your mistake was in not turning this over to your card issuer (bank) for a chargeback after the first 7 days passed. Depending on where you are located, the time for filing a chargeback may have passed (but you should know that most significant US card issuers permit as long as a year even though only legally required to provide 60 days).
In your situation, start the chargeback process now. It takes 2-3 minutes to do this online and it puts the shoe on the other foot. As LH has acknowledged the refund being due, it is unlikely to waste time contesting your dispute .
For the benefit of others, time is money. Don't spend it on the phone. Give a reasonable period of time (in this case the 7 days LH said it would take is reasonable) and then start the chargeback process.
Your mistake was in not turning this over to your card issuer (bank) for a chargeback after the first 7 days passed. Depending on where you are located, the time for filing a chargeback may have passed (but you should know that most significant US card issuers permit as long as a year even though only legally required to provide 60 days).
In your situation, start the chargeback process now. It takes 2-3 minutes to do this online and it puts the shoe on the other foot. As LH has acknowledged the refund being due, it is unlikely to waste time contesting your dispute .
For the benefit of others, time is money. Don't spend it on the phone. Give a reasonable period of time (in this case the 7 days LH said it would take is reasonable) and then start the chargeback process.
#213
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So she cancelled the trip and I got a cancellation email shortly after.
Well, now it's almost impossible to reach Lufthansa because the corona has escalated so today I did not have a choice but to dispute the orignal transaction with Revolut.
The flight is cancelled now. Unfortunately, you cancelled the ticket before LH cancelled the flight.[QUOTE]
Last edited by warakorn; Mar 17, 2020 at 3:11 pm
#214
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As to your ultimate question, no there is close to zero chance that the German government will permit LH to become insolvent.
Condor was put into some kind of bankcruptcy protection proceeding last fall. That means the airline can still run flights, but court orders cannot be enforced anymore.
This game has been going on now for 6 months. Hence, EC261/2004 judgments cannot be enforced against DE.
A similar path could be reserved for Lufthansa.
Lufthansa may still run, but all claims cannot be enforced.
#215
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From now on I will record all my phone calls, just for my own safety. Just sad that you need to do that 2020.
I have no reasons to believe that Lufthansa will 'scam me'.
The problem here seem to be that ticket was cancelled hastily on your side. You should have waited for some written cancellation waiver advise. A passenger cancelling a ticket is a very straightforward matter.
The issue is the subsequent refund process. If your original ticket was mostly non-refundable, the system would not follow through with a full refund. I was reading through your original posting, and I couldn't find any account on that you have gotten a written confirmation on the full refund.
It needs human intervention. As it stands now there was no explicit cancellation waiver in place when you cancelled the ticket. Hence, your refund request is keeping to bounce back again and again.
What you need now is some good will on the part of LH. With the current ongoing situation you may have to wait very, very long to receive that level of good will.
After the race got cancelled I called Lufthansa February 17th and at that time Lufthansa website was very confusing.
You should have waited a couple of weeks, esp. if you had a mostly non-refundable ticket.
#216
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As to your ultimate question, no there is close to zero chance that the German government will permit LH to become insolvent. Moreover, at the time the first series of issues arose, the Covid-19 issue was growing but not thought to deeply affect Western Europe. No reason to believe that LH would be in poor condition.
Your mistake was in not turning this over to your card issuer (bank) for a chargeback after the first 7 days passed. Depending on where you are located, the time for filing a chargeback may have passed (but you should know that most significant US card issuers permit as long as a year even though only legally required to provide 60 days).
In your situation, start the chargeback process now. It takes 2-3 minutes to do this online and it puts the shoe on the other foot. As LH has acknowledged the refund being due, it is unlikely to waste time contesting your dispute .
For the benefit of others, time is money. Don't spend it on the phone. Give a reasonable period of time (in this case the 7 days LH said it would take is reasonable) and then start the chargeback process.
Your mistake was in not turning this over to your card issuer (bank) for a chargeback after the first 7 days passed. Depending on where you are located, the time for filing a chargeback may have passed (but you should know that most significant US card issuers permit as long as a year even though only legally required to provide 60 days).
In your situation, start the chargeback process now. It takes 2-3 minutes to do this online and it puts the shoe on the other foot. As LH has acknowledged the refund being due, it is unlikely to waste time contesting your dispute .
For the benefit of others, time is money. Don't spend it on the phone. Give a reasonable period of time (in this case the 7 days LH said it would take is reasonable) and then start the chargeback process.
#217
Join Date: Oct 2019
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I work there and there are so many refunds that they have to process rebookings as more of a priority. When you have someone stuck and need to get on another plane they are working on that first. The refund team in Mexico is very backlogged and other ticketing centres are working hard. Other teams are being trained to do refunds also but they have their normal work to do. It's all a papertrail and everyone will get the refund. Might have to wait till things get back to order. CURE aka customer relations handles every email and they are slammed also. Hang in there.
#219

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FWIW I was told my refund would take a while. I’m ok with that as I’m not hurting for the money. But I’ll also initiate a charge back on my credit card, mostly because the biggest risk here is that I’ll forget amount the money if I don’t.
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FWIW I was told my refund would take a while.
But I’ll also initiate a charge back on my credit card, mostly because the biggest risk here is that I’ll forget amount the money if I don’t.
#223


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Seeing LH is selling ticket to PVG again at the end of April, looking at booking to go back with my family but, I guess chance to get it canceled are high, planning to buy revenue First, would they rebook me on other STAR carrier or not?
Or I will have to apply for a refund a rebook again last minute?
Or I will have to apply for a refund a rebook again last minute?
#224

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Seeing LH is selling ticket to PVG again at the end of April, looking at booking to go back with my family but, I guess chance to get it canceled are high, planning to buy revenue First, would they rebook me on other STAR carrier or not?
Or I will have to apply for a refund a rebook again last minute?
Or I will have to apply for a refund a rebook again last minute?
#225


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Now, what I wonder is, will they rebook me on other carriers if the flight is cancel or not, if anybody now the answer to the later point, thanks,



