Airbus A220 (ex CSeries) Master Thread
#706


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My first A220 AC flight was Friday as well on YEG-YYZ. Was nice and quiet on-board. All went well including finding out how much power it has when our landing was aborted just before the wheels touched the runway. Powered up for a go around and enjoyed the extra bit of time in the air.
#707
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Uhhh, not paid. In fact one of my trip reports have been sponsored or paid. A lot of the inaugural flight fans that were flying with me actually all paid for their own flight. I like to share my experiences and this one was a once in a lifetime for me, It's unfortunate that you think that just because someone enjoys and is excited about an experience is disingenuous. I've flown a lot just like most here and I'd take this plane over any narrow body hands down.
#708




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Do you mean 'not' one of your trip reports has been sponsored?
I'm not sure why jaysona has come out guns blazing against the bloggers and especially against the A220 itself, given his history with its development. Although I'll be among those to state that not FAs bidding the type due to crew seating near a lav is one of the more frivolous complaints an employee could conjure up.
When reading/viewing the various frequent flyer trip reports and videos, the discerning observer applies a hefty grain of salt to the usually-lavish praise heaped upon the product. Air Canada may not pay trip reporters in dollars, but some receive in-kind perks. Nobody gets an invite to a hangar reveal or is assigned a cockpit seat during an air-to-air marketing photo shoot unless deemed by the company as a reliable advocate (or a high-rev customer). AC's PR department is more than able to produce their own glossy videos and photographs absent of any meaningful critique. Internet and social media influencers belong to an unofficial advertising body that doesn't appear on payroll or in budgets.
I'm not sure why jaysona has come out guns blazing against the bloggers and especially against the A220 itself, given his history with its development. Although I'll be among those to state that not FAs bidding the type due to crew seating near a lav is one of the more frivolous complaints an employee could conjure up.
When reading/viewing the various frequent flyer trip reports and videos, the discerning observer applies a hefty grain of salt to the usually-lavish praise heaped upon the product. Air Canada may not pay trip reporters in dollars, but some receive in-kind perks. Nobody gets an invite to a hangar reveal or is assigned a cockpit seat during an air-to-air marketing photo shoot unless deemed by the company as a reliable advocate (or a high-rev customer). AC's PR department is more than able to produce their own glossy videos and photographs absent of any meaningful critique. Internet and social media influencers belong to an unofficial advertising body that doesn't appear on payroll or in budgets.
#709
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Do you mean 'not' one of your trip reports has been sponsored?
I'm not sure why jaysona has come out guns blazing against the bloggers and especially against the A220 itself, given his history with its development. Although I'll be among those to state that not FAs bidding the type due to crew seating near a lav is one of the more frivolous complaints an employee could conjure up.
When reading/viewing the various frequent flyer trip reports and videos, the discerning observer applies a hefty grain of salt to the usually-lavish praise heaped upon the product. Air Canada may not pay trip reporters in dollars, but some receive in-kind perks. Nobody gets an invite to a hangar reveal or is assigned a cockpit seat during an air-to-air marketing photo shoot unless deemed by the company as a reliable advocate (or a high-rev customer). AC's PR department is more than able to produce their own glossy videos and photographs absent of any meaningful critique. Internet and social media influencers belong to an unofficial advertising body that doesn't appear on payroll or in budgets.
I'm not sure why jaysona has come out guns blazing against the bloggers and especially against the A220 itself, given his history with its development. Although I'll be among those to state that not FAs bidding the type due to crew seating near a lav is one of the more frivolous complaints an employee could conjure up.
When reading/viewing the various frequent flyer trip reports and videos, the discerning observer applies a hefty grain of salt to the usually-lavish praise heaped upon the product. Air Canada may not pay trip reporters in dollars, but some receive in-kind perks. Nobody gets an invite to a hangar reveal or is assigned a cockpit seat during an air-to-air marketing photo shoot unless deemed by the company as a reliable advocate (or a high-rev customer). AC's PR department is more than able to produce their own glossy videos and photographs absent of any meaningful critique. Internet and social media influencers belong to an unofficial advertising body that doesn't appear on payroll or in budgets.
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#710




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#711
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Happened to us once on an LH flight. Pilot also blamed traffic control. which might provide for a nice scapegoat if somehow the approach was not OK. Or of course the claim may be true. Who knows...
#712


Join Date: Aug 2014
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Here are a few pictures taken earlier this week.

Sharp looking bird parked at the gate.

Bright and airy cabin.

I love those huge windows.

Extended legrest. There is also a footrest.

Nice big screen but was a bit laggy sometimes. Standard USB port, USB C and headphone jack.


The size of the windows is quite impressive.

A second USB port is hidden in the armrest with the 120V plug.


I didn't take pictures but the overhead bins are also quite massive, very impressive for a bird this size. I enjoyed flying on this plane quite a lot, it definitely felt like a much larger plane and not like a regional jet.

Sharp looking bird parked at the gate.

Bright and airy cabin.

I love those huge windows.

Extended legrest. There is also a footrest.

Nice big screen but was a bit laggy sometimes. Standard USB port, USB C and headphone jack.


The size of the windows is quite impressive.

A second USB port is hidden in the armrest with the 120V plug.


I didn't take pictures but the overhead bins are also quite massive, very impressive for a bird this size. I enjoyed flying on this plane quite a lot, it definitely felt like a much larger plane and not like a regional jet.
#713




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does AC have a master plan on the routes this fleet will serve. As it's neither a E190 or an A320 / MAX for capacity. I do a lot of flying between YYZ and YOW, which is real E190 territory, as well as YYZ to LGA, which has a fair amount of E190s. I realise the E190s and A319s were planned to be around to a while longer to cover the MAX shortfall, though events in the last week may see a significant drop in domestic trans american flying.
It would be nice to experience the A220, and I'm hoping in this masterplan for route role out, that it does the rapidair routes sooner rather than later though I do like the E190 for fast boarding / deplaning and no middle seating!
It would be nice to experience the A220, and I'm hoping in this masterplan for route role out, that it does the rapidair routes sooner rather than later though I do like the E190 for fast boarding / deplaning and no middle seating!
#714
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does AC have a master plan on the routes this fleet will serve. As it's neither a E190 or an A320 / MAX for capacity. I do a lot of flying between YYZ and YOW, which is real E190 territory, as well as YYZ to LGA, which has a fair amount of E190s. I realise the E190s and A319s were planned to be around to a while longer to cover the MAX shortfall, though events in the last week may see a significant drop in domestic trans american flying.
It would be nice to experience the A220, and I'm hoping in this masterplan for route role out, that it does the rapidair routes sooner rather than later though I do like the E190 for fast boarding / deplaning and no middle seating!
It would be nice to experience the A220, and I'm hoping in this masterplan for route role out, that it does the rapidair routes sooner rather than later though I do like the E190 for fast boarding / deplaning and no middle seating!
So they'll use the 223 to operate some new routes that weren't economically possible with other types, but you should also see them all over the place.
As for YYZ-LGA, you sure about that? Years ago, sure, there were plenty of E90s on that route, but I haven't been on one in a while on that route, and for the random dates I looked at just now, didn't see any. Couple E75s, but otherwise all 319/320/321. But will the 223 be on there at some point? Quite possibly.
#715
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does AC have a master plan on the routes this fleet will serve. As it's neither a E190 or an A320 / MAX for capacity. I do a lot of flying between YYZ and YOW, which is real E190 territory, as well as YYZ to LGA, which has a fair amount of E190s. I realise the E190s and A319s were planned to be around to a while longer to cover the MAX shortfall, though events in the last week may see a significant drop in domestic trans american flying.
It would be nice to experience the A220, and I'm hoping in this masterplan for route role out, that it does the rapidair routes sooner rather than later though I do like the E190 for fast boarding / deplaning and no middle seating!
It would be nice to experience the A220, and I'm hoping in this masterplan for route role out, that it does the rapidair routes sooner rather than later though I do like the E190 for fast boarding / deplaning and no middle seating!
Replacing the E190 with A220-300 probably is an indication the E190 is a bit on the small side for what AC needs today.
#716
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It is an interesting question. Had they gone for for the A220-100 I would say it was a E190 replacement. The A220 in the AC configuration is between the A319 and A320 in seats. Delta went with a mix of 100 and 300 aircraft.
Replacing the E190 with A220-300 probably is an indication the E190 is a bit on the small side for what AC needs today.
Replacing the E190 with A220-300 probably is an indication the E190 is a bit on the small side for what AC needs today.
#717
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Like the 340 being replaced by the 777, better technology came along. But I think that had the E90 economics (including reliability) been better on the overall package, that it would still be a great contributor to the AC fleet. Passengers generally loved 'em.
#718
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Sitting on my first AC A220 flight. First impression is throughly underwhelmed by the hard product.
Stranger jasdou , I can confirm my roll-aboard fit comfortably on its side above me in 2D, and the bins are the same size back in Y as they are in J (unlike the E-Jets).
Why do they keep putting these damned footrests in the planes that chew up some of the legroom? They don't seem to stay in the up position very well. Put pretty much ANYTHING in the seatback pocket, and it will push the frigging footrest down in to your legs. Very poor design.
Also, it seems the seats run very low to the floor, which impacts both legroom (at least for those of us with long legs) and space to stow items - my briefcase fits fine under the seats in front on every other type but is really jammed in here.
Screen is big and nice and everything is new and shiny, sure.
I much preferred the seats on DL's 221, which had none of the aforementioned drawbacks while still retaining the advantages.
AC says the 223 is an E90 replacement. They've said that publicly in their financial statements.
They've also stated, at least privately, that economically, it makes sense as an E90 replacement because the trip cost is roughly the same, yet it seats ~50% more people. So they're going to try operating the 223 on a lot of routes where they used to use E90s and see if they can make some extra dough selling all those extra seats.
It's a question of economics, not necessarily capacity. If it was just capacity, they could have bought more 319s and/or 320s. The 223 has a few more sests than a 319 but operates at a lower cost per seat. Or it can operate way more seats at the same absolute cost as the E90. Either way, should be much more profitable.
This is in response to this and the other previously quoted post, but AC has the option to convert some of the 223 orders to 221s if they want. Which they may, depending on how it works out.
Clearly not that well, given they're getting rid of them with so many years of flying left in them.

One could say the same of the A340-500.
The E90's economics aren't good, and not just for AC.
But rarely do passengers book based on aircraft type. FOTSGs may occasionally get lured in by "Dreamliner" or "A380" (or, in ye olden dayze, "747"), but not by E90s. And how many times would even a frequent flyer pick AC over a competitor just to have an E90 over a 737/320? Not often.
Stranger jasdou , I can confirm my roll-aboard fit comfortably on its side above me in 2D, and the bins are the same size back in Y as they are in J (unlike the E-Jets).
Why do they keep putting these damned footrests in the planes that chew up some of the legroom? They don't seem to stay in the up position very well. Put pretty much ANYTHING in the seatback pocket, and it will push the frigging footrest down in to your legs. Very poor design.
Also, it seems the seats run very low to the floor, which impacts both legroom (at least for those of us with long legs) and space to stow items - my briefcase fits fine under the seats in front on every other type but is really jammed in here.
Screen is big and nice and everything is new and shiny, sure.
I much preferred the seats on DL's 221, which had none of the aforementioned drawbacks while still retaining the advantages.
They've also stated, at least privately, that economically, it makes sense as an E90 replacement because the trip cost is roughly the same, yet it seats ~50% more people. So they're going to try operating the 223 on a lot of routes where they used to use E90s and see if they can make some extra dough selling all those extra seats.
Replacing the E190 with A220-300 probably is an indication the E190 is a bit on the small side for what AC needs today.
Clearly not that well, given they're getting rid of them with so many years of flying left in them.
constraining capacity and helping with yield

But I think that had the E90 economics (including reliability) been better on the overall package, that it would still be a great contributor to the AC fleet.
The E90's economics aren't good, and not just for AC.
Passengers generally loved 'em.
#719




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Well, I was looking to enjoy the 223 with all of you on the inaugural YYZ-SJC flight...
But it looks like it won't be flying, since I got rebooked to YYZ-YVR-SJC instead, with an illegal 5-min connection in YVR so it's breaking the site when I try to touch the fare...
But it looks like it won't be flying, since I got rebooked to YYZ-YVR-SJC instead, with an illegal 5-min connection in YVR so it's breaking the site when I try to touch the fare...
#720



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Will wait it out for now to see what AC has in store for us with the 5min connection.



