Mar 11, 2020, 10:13 am
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Any member who can provide a constructive, helpful answer to a question; or post constructively in reply to a member's point-of-view, is welcome to post.
All FT rules apply, including avoiding personalized, snarky, political, other off-topic, commercial, and repeatedly disruptive content.
Discussion of general economic impacts of Covid-19 belongs in the OMNI forum, not here.
Discussion and critique of political/government actions to aid the economy or which is far more political than related to COVID-19 is for the OMNI/PR forum, not here.
This is a protocol for posting adopted by the forum Moderator team:Please follow this protocol, based on FlyerTalk Rules and long-standing FlyerTalk best practices. Doing so will help keep the thread open, and allow our moderator team to aid members, rather than having to resort to discipline.
Constructive, respectful posts, views, opinions, questions, and replies, related to the topic are welcome. Avoid commenting on members personally, or posting off-topic or political messages.
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COVID-19: Lounge thread for thoughts, concerns and questions
Mar 7, 2020 | 8:00 am
#136
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Unfortunately, as Italy warms up the cases are not decreasing.
this link has a direct link to a twitter post separating the cases in Spain according to the Autonomous Region where they have been registered
https://elpais.com/Comentario/158358...88fde41?gla=es
(But it’s already out of date, for example, the Valencia region recently recorded 6 more cases)
this link has a direct link to a twitter post separating the cases in Spain according to the Autonomous Region where they have been registered
https://elpais.com/Comentario/158358...88fde41?gla=es
(But it’s already out of date, for example, the Valencia region recently recorded 6 more cases)
Mar 7, 2020 | 8:01 am
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Mar 7, 2020 | 8:14 am
#138
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The Diamond Princess presumably wasn’t a particularly cold environment (indoors). Maybe 20C 24/7?
Mar 7, 2020 | 8:38 am
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Mar 7, 2020 | 8:50 am
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Mar 7, 2020 | 9:16 am
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Mar 7, 2020 | 9:19 am
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Mar 7, 2020 | 9:20 am
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With some estimates of minor/asymptomatic infection up around 80% of infected people it should be quite easy to understand how the case count can have little to do with the number of infected people, with the ratio between those numbers varying between countries not based on transparency but simply based on how much testing they’re doing, making comparing case counts between countries rather a pointless exercise.
In my view, testing is important as a tool to surgically isolate individuals and certain clusters, but not as important as it relates to mortality and soft infrastructure disruption. HK/SG/TW have been dealing with this before we have, and could provide some helpful data. If their infection rates force such a dislocation of change where it becomes impossible to keep essential soft infrastructure functioning, we can hopefully learn from and potentially avoid a similar fate. On the other hand, if there is minimal or no disruption, then we may learn and try to adopt some of their countermeasures, to the extent possible. While infection rates are important, I'm more interested in mortality, since deaths will mostly be accounted for, unlike testing. Yes, I realize they can assume it's the flu, but we would notice a statistical anomaly with abnormally high flu mortality and may attribute that difference to the coronavirus.
At this point, I'm mostly concerned with mortality and avoiding the soft infrastructure collapse scenario, especially the latter since this will be an indication that this will all be manageable.
Mar 7, 2020 | 9:28 am
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Mar 7, 2020 | 9:37 am
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Something I've been noticing in the relatively large numbers of recovered in both Iran and Italy per the Worldometers numbers, particularly compared to South Korea but also other countries. Either they're further into outbreak or assessing recovered differently (clinical vs laboratory?) is what it looks like to me. Any insight?
Mar 7, 2020 | 9:44 am
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Mar 7, 2020 | 10:11 am
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Mar 7, 2020 | 10:18 am
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When I returned from HK, during the early days when it wasn't even on the ban list, I sensed that I was viewed with suspicion. Turn about is fair play. Why shouldn't I view those from WA infected areas with a similar suspicion? Or, anyone from SF?
Mar 7, 2020 | 10:30 am
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Would that not help to avoid such bottleneck?
Last edited by cesco.g; Mar 7, 2020 at 10:39 am Reason: "Quest" added
Mar 7, 2020 | 10:36 am
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Dartmouth College in NH, USA. Part of the Ivy League.
Apparently an employee (administrator) at a Dartmouth affiliated hospital who was also a (M.B.A.) graduate of the Amos Tuck School (of business) at Dartmouth broke a required fourteen day home quarantine to attend a party for alums (and presumably donors) of Dartmouth's business school.
Apparently an employee (administrator) at a Dartmouth affiliated hospital who was also a (M.B.A.) graduate of the Amos Tuck School (of business) at Dartmouth broke a required fourteen day home quarantine to attend a party for alums (and presumably donors) of Dartmouth's business school.