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Old Jun 12, 2018 | 9:26 am
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Originally Posted by PV_Premier
Saver F has almost always been a unicorn. What I don't understand is how they can have U7, A0. It's a little strange to allow a heap of GGU/instant upgrades, but zero saver seats.
GGU/instant upgrades still generate revenue!

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Old Jun 12, 2018 | 11:57 am
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Originally Posted by Flying for Fun
GGU/instant upgrades still generate revenue!

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And besides, while I admit it's sometimes not that easy to find, only once have I not found something that worked. Maybe it's partly the routes people fly. We had 2 A seats DCA-SEA before a partner's schedule change blew the reservation apart last week. But we easily switched to JFK-SEA, still in first class. So it's definitely out there.

In the end, since I'm always connecting to/from much better seats on partner awards, even if I ended up in transcon Y it wouldn't be that big of a deal to me. People can come up with all kinds of self-serving 'reasons' why they should be able to get what they want, though.
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Old Jun 12, 2018 | 10:26 pm
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This happens all the time. AS does not guarantee one award space at the saver rate, either in F or Y.
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Old Jun 12, 2018 | 10:51 pm
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Originally Posted by Jaimito Cartero

Lots of frequent flyer plans operate like this. I had J and F awards to Asia from PHX using AA miles. Flying on CX for the long segments. Could I get even a single first class AA award seat at low levels, from PHX-LAX for the first leg 10+ months in advance. Nyet.

I had to periodically check, first I got one seat, then a few months later the last two seats opened up. Its just how things are, now.
That doesnt make it right because everyone else is also committing false advertising. Also Alaska tries to differentiate itself as the customer friendly airline thats different from the big guys.
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Old Jun 12, 2018 | 10:55 pm
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Originally Posted by beckoa
This happens all the time. AS does not guarantee one award space at the saver rate, either in F or Y.
Sure, of course I understand there are scenarios they cannot offer them all the time to maximize revenue. But on a flight that has a totally empty cabin, and not a single person booked in it? I could understand if even a single person was booked, but having a totally empty cabin with no saver space seems a little unjust to me.
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Old Jun 12, 2018 | 10:57 pm
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Originally Posted by PV_Premier
Saver F has almost always been a unicorn. What I don't understand is how they can have U7, A0. It's a little strange to allow a heap of GGU/instant upgrades, but zero saver seats.
Could be proof they want to award their FFs and really view their F as just slightly better than coach and want to reward their Golds and 75ks that have GGUs? They are known to care more about their customers many times than profit.
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Old Jun 13, 2018 | 2:52 am
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Sure, of course I understand there are scenarios they cannot offer them all the time to maximize revenue. But on a flight that has a totally empty cabin, and not a single person booked in it? I could understand if even a single person was booked, but having a totally empty cabin with no saver space seems a little unjust to me.
Maybe the flight is being considered for a schedule change and they aren't eager to sell seats until they know for sure. Is it better to "discourage sales" or make changes when 1/2 the plane needs to be reaccommodated?

Just a thought.

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Old Jun 13, 2018 | 3:08 am
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Originally Posted by Flying for Fun
Maybe the flight is being considered for a schedule change and they aren't eager to sell seats until they know for sure. Is it better to "discourage sales" or make changes when 1/2 the plane needs to be reaccommodated?

Just a thought.

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Could be. I had not thought of this and you may be correct.
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Old Jun 13, 2018 | 7:31 am
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Originally Posted by NWplatinum


Sure, of course I understand there are scenarios they cannot offer them all the time to maximize revenue. But on a flight that has a totally empty cabin, and not a single person booked in it? I could understand if even a single person was booked, but having a totally empty cabin with no saver space seems a little unjust to me.
Youre talking about October. At least for AA, less than 10% of seats are sold more than 60 days out, and the number is lower than that up front. (AA said this publicly as part of the AAUS reservations system merger.) For AS, without long haul flights, that number is almost certainly lower. So no sold seats four months out tells you (and AS) absolutely nothing.

The relevant question is not how many seats are sold now but how many seats AS thinks theyll be able to sell, at what fare, and how that fare compares to how AS values award revenue.

The one thing that that surprises me is U7 with no Saver award seats available. I would think the relative value of miles to upgrades would be skewed a little differently.
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Old Jun 13, 2018 | 8:31 am
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Originally Posted by NWplatinum
That doesnt make it right because everyone else is also committing false advertising. Also Alaska tries to differentiate itself as the customer friendly airline thats different from the big guys.
Not seeing how this equates to "false advertising" as long as they're offering saver space on some routes. I've never seen them specify 'First Class awards available Saver Awards starting at 12.5k miles available on every flight' in any marketing materials.
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Old Jun 13, 2018 | 3:10 pm
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Not seeing how this equates to "false advertising" as long as they're offering saver space on some routes. I've never seen them specify 'First Class awards available Saver Awards starting at 12.5k miles available on every flight' in any marketing materials.
Yes, youre never going to see them specify saver F awards at 12.5 because the price for them is 25k each way.
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Old Jun 13, 2018 | 3:24 pm
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Originally Posted by NWplatinum
Yes, youre never going to see them specify saver F awards at 12.5 because the price for them is 25k each way.
Actually, thats changing:
Alaska award level changing
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Old Jun 13, 2018 | 3:31 pm
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Actually, thats changing:
Alaska award level changing
i still dont see a first class ticket for 12,500.
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Old Jun 13, 2018 | 3:36 pm
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i still dont see a first class ticket for 12,500.
Are you really being this pedantic over a simple brainfart/misstatement?
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Old Jun 13, 2018 | 3:54 pm
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Originally Posted by NWplatinum
i still dont see a first class ticket for 12,500.
My sincerest of apologies for the typo/mis-stating the lowest first class saver award level. If Alaska had done the same, then there might be a legitimate false advertising claim here, but still don't see it.
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