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#1891

Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Nottingham
Programs: BA GGL
Posts: 1,893
LAX actually run suicide ops at night sometimes. Planes taking-off westbound (i.e. over the bay) while incoming planes land eastbound.
#1892
Join Date: Feb 2016
Programs: BAEC, FlyingBlue, IHG Gold Amb, Kimpton whatever
Posts: 88
Thanks, Littlegirl! Yes, I had my doubts about this when it was being shouted about at the time, but had thought that the practice had gained broad acceptance/implementation. Thanks for clarifying.
#1893

Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: UK
Programs: I go wherever the content takes me.
Posts: 5,700
Yesterday I was flying on an A321 in mid haul config, in the WT cabin. I had a row of three to myself, so I put the middle table down, placed my phone on it and plugged it into the USB charging point so it could charge during the flight.
One of the CC came along and said - quite abruptly - "if you're not using that, unplug it".
Why would this be?
One of the CC came along and said - quite abruptly - "if you're not using that, unplug it".
Why would this be?
#1894


Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,232
The risk of a lithium battery fire is a real and significant one onboard. The power supplies onboard are not as reliable in terms of voltage and frequency as the plug in your house, this increases the risk of an onboard battery fire. Consequently if a device is just being charged it must be monitored. That is why we insist that a charging device is visible and monitored by the person whose device it is. You cannot be asleep or out of sight of your device. In order to prevent endless circular arguments with passengers about this issue we say that unless you are using a device it must not be being charged and not in use.
#1895




Join Date: May 2013
Location: Manchester
Programs: BAEC Gold
Posts: 36
Travelled Dub-JFK on Wednesday in J. I'm on liquid medication for a cough and I forgot to pack a spoon when transferring the liquid into a small bottle to bring on board. Cabin crew very kindly gave me a CE spoon and said I could take it with me.
Fast forward to security at flight connections and my bag gets taken out for a hand search. The agent asked me if I was carrying any knives or sharp objects in my bag to which I obviously said no. Imagine my surprise when he pulled out the BA spoon I had been given on the DUB flight and said the sharp point on the end of the handle was a concern!
Not being overly bothered I surrendered the offending spoon and continued my journey. Afterwards it made me think that if 1 spoon from the new cutlery presented a concern to security at LHR, how do BA manage with a whole cabin full of potential weapons?!
On my return to Dublin last night I did examine the handles of the new cutlery and they do seem rather sharp although I'm not sure they would be sharp enough to be considered a weapon!!
I am sure that this was nothing more than an overly cautious security officer as I presume any new design of on board items such as cutlery have to checked for this sort of thing or does the airline have free reign to do as it wishes with the design of such things?
Fast forward to security at flight connections and my bag gets taken out for a hand search. The agent asked me if I was carrying any knives or sharp objects in my bag to which I obviously said no. Imagine my surprise when he pulled out the BA spoon I had been given on the DUB flight and said the sharp point on the end of the handle was a concern!
Not being overly bothered I surrendered the offending spoon and continued my journey. Afterwards it made me think that if 1 spoon from the new cutlery presented a concern to security at LHR, how do BA manage with a whole cabin full of potential weapons?!
On my return to Dublin last night I did examine the handles of the new cutlery and they do seem rather sharp although I'm not sure they would be sharp enough to be considered a weapon!!
I am sure that this was nothing more than an overly cautious security officer as I presume any new design of on board items such as cutlery have to checked for this sort of thing or does the airline have free reign to do as it wishes with the design of such things?
#1896
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: LON, ACK, BOS..... (Not necessarily in that order)
Programs: **Mucci Diamond Hairbrush** - compared to that nothing else matters (+BA Bronze)
Posts: 15,929
The risk of a lithium battery fire is a real and significant one onboard. The power supplies onboard are not as reliable in terms of voltage and frequency as the plug in your house, this increases the risk of an onboard battery fire. Consequently if a device is just being charged it must be monitored. That is why we insist that a charging device is visible and monitored by the person whose device it is. You cannot be asleep or out of sight of your device. In order to prevent endless circular arguments with passengers about this issue we say that unless you are using a device it must not be being charged and not in use.
is a very bad idea as the reaction produces hydrogen which is bad m'kay, especially when you already have a flame present.
Last edited by Jimmie76; May 9, 2016 at 4:40 am
#1897
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Increasingly rarely on a plane
Programs: Losing status by the day
Posts: 611
Clearly a runway change at LHR is a royal pain, and the runways are long enough for a slight tailwind to be acceptable - so you could have operations using the 27 runways despite a modest easterly wind if it was expected to change back or drop to still before much longer.
At LCY, changing the runway in use is much easier, and the runway being much shorter having any tailwind is quite a bad idea. So, in the same situation, the airfield would always change to using runway 09.
So - you can sometimes see the planes for LCY and LHR simultaneously coming in over London...
#1898
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: London
Programs: Mucci. Nothing else matters.
Posts: 38,752
#1899


Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: London/Glasgow
Programs: BAEC Silver (lapsed HNL Gold), Avis Preferred, IHG Diamond Amb, Hilton Plat, Marriot Plat
Posts: 355
Same, I love watching it on a warm evening. LCY approaches swooping at 2000ft, LHR making a big arc at 4000ft-ish. FlightRadar on the iPad seeing where they've all come from, a relaxing way to spend the evening if you're a first class geek.
#1900
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Location: JER
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#1901


Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: LHR Air Traffic Control
Programs: BAEC Silver - until April 2025
Posts: 955
And here in London we sometimes have an odd situation when there is a changeable or short term light wind.
Clearly a runway change at LHR is a royal pain, and the runways are long enough for a slight tailwind to be acceptable - so you could have operations using the 27 runways despite a modest easterly wind if it was expected to change back or drop to still before much longer.
At LCY, changing the runway in use is much easier, and the runway being much shorter having any tailwind is quite a bad idea. So, in the same situation, the airfield would always change to using runway 09.
So - you can sometimes see the planes for LCY and LHR simultaneously coming in over London...
Clearly a runway change at LHR is a royal pain, and the runways are long enough for a slight tailwind to be acceptable - so you could have operations using the 27 runways despite a modest easterly wind if it was expected to change back or drop to still before much longer.
At LCY, changing the runway in use is much easier, and the runway being much shorter having any tailwind is quite a bad idea. So, in the same situation, the airfield would always change to using runway 09.
So - you can sometimes see the planes for LCY and LHR simultaneously coming in over London...
#1902



Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Las Vegas
Programs: BA Gold; Hilton Honors Diamond
Posts: 3,603
One for the cabin crew if I may?
Is it a documented policy that the only passengers allowed upstairs on the 747-400 are those with seats on the UD?
I flew BA271 from LHR to LAS on Friday 6th and we were plagued with non-stop foot traffic from both the downstairs Club and WT+ cabins. It got so bad (loud, raucous laughter, general noise and disturbance, plus bad language) that I had to complain to the Senior Cabin Crew Member (as the CSM was on his break). The only way they could get passengers back into their seats in their respective cabins was to put the seatbelt sign on for a while. The crew on the UD were then given strict instructions to turn back interlopers and not allow them upstairs.
The crew in general seemed young and one of the two crew on the UD was working her very first Club cabin and had only been in the job for six weeks. As an example of her naivety I had to ring the call bell three times to get a bottle of water (as none were handed out after the meal service) and when I mentioned that I'd pressed the bell three times she commented that she'd heard the "boing" but didn't know what it was.
Equally, when the seatbelt sign came on earlier in the flight due to turbulence it took her a good 3 - 4 minutes before she checked whether people were in their seats and strapped in. All of this was fed back to the CSM on the plane at the time and to Customer Relations since then.
All in all not a good flight but after speaking to the SCCM it improved markedly. I have no doubt that over time the CC on my flight will become more astute and assertive but the whole experience left a bit of a bad taste in the mouth.
Is it a documented policy that the only passengers allowed upstairs on the 747-400 are those with seats on the UD?
I flew BA271 from LHR to LAS on Friday 6th and we were plagued with non-stop foot traffic from both the downstairs Club and WT+ cabins. It got so bad (loud, raucous laughter, general noise and disturbance, plus bad language) that I had to complain to the Senior Cabin Crew Member (as the CSM was on his break). The only way they could get passengers back into their seats in their respective cabins was to put the seatbelt sign on for a while. The crew on the UD were then given strict instructions to turn back interlopers and not allow them upstairs.
The crew in general seemed young and one of the two crew on the UD was working her very first Club cabin and had only been in the job for six weeks. As an example of her naivety I had to ring the call bell three times to get a bottle of water (as none were handed out after the meal service) and when I mentioned that I'd pressed the bell three times she commented that she'd heard the "boing" but didn't know what it was.
Equally, when the seatbelt sign came on earlier in the flight due to turbulence it took her a good 3 - 4 minutes before she checked whether people were in their seats and strapped in. All of this was fed back to the CSM on the plane at the time and to Customer Relations since then.
All in all not a good flight but after speaking to the SCCM it improved markedly. I have no doubt that over time the CC on my flight will become more astute and assertive but the whole experience left a bit of a bad taste in the mouth.
#1903
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Brexile in ADB
Programs: BA, TK, HHonours, Le Club, Best Western Rewards
Posts: 7,067
Not really sure who to ask, but my sister who runs a Scout Group near Cardiff wanted to go to Cardiff Airport with her Scouts for a tour and I suggested that they could look in on the BA hanger to see a stripped down 747. Any idea who to ask? She reckons she can get some free publicity in the local papers as they cover much lesser events.
#1904




Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Heathrow
Posts: 230
Not really sure who to ask, but my sister who runs a Scout Group near Cardiff wanted to go to Cardiff Airport with her Scouts for a tour and I suggested that they could look in on the BA hanger to see a stripped down 747. Any idea who to ask? She reckons she can get some free publicity in the local papers as they cover much lesser events.
I have in the past gone out and run 'air activities badge' lessons at scout groups in the community before but I'm LHR based unfortunately.
A better bet might be the airport itself - I know Liverpool airport do tours, you can have a go at spotting things on the x-ray at security and all sorts!
Best of luck with it though!!
Last edited by alextheengineer; May 10, 2016 at 9:50 am Reason: Grammar errors x2 & to clarify my para 1.


