Domestic 3-cabin flights (PS & others?) sold as 2-cabin flights; who gets up front?
Mar 23, 2016 | 2:55 pm
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Are you sure?
I look at tomorrow for example. UA 1570 is the 835am SFO-ORD.
F is booked full. 3 are cleared upgrades and only one name appears on the list (LOW/M).
J is booked to 45 out of 52 with 6 blocked (coach is probably overbooked). 30 of these are upgrades. The flight is currently checked in to 29. "LOW/M" is an upgrade to J.
Surely not all 29 of the check-ins are CPU customers. So why isn't the F waiting list longer? And why is LOW/M, who shows as cleared on the J list showing up as standby on the F list even though he's a revenue customer. I suppose it's technically possible there are two different "LOW/M" on the flight (one upgraded to business and one paid for business). But definitely the standby list for F would be longer with 29 business pax checked in.
I'm not losing sleep over this data. I'm just curious who really gets to show up on the F standby list.
Thanks!
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I look at tomorrow for example. UA 1570 is the 835am SFO-ORD.
F is booked full. 3 are cleared upgrades and only one name appears on the list (LOW/M).
J is booked to 45 out of 52 with 6 blocked (coach is probably overbooked). 30 of these are upgrades. The flight is currently checked in to 29. "LOW/M" is an upgrade to J.
Surely not all 29 of the check-ins are CPU customers. So why isn't the F waiting list longer? And why is LOW/M, who shows as cleared on the J list showing up as standby on the F list even though he's a revenue customer. I suppose it's technically possible there are two different "LOW/M" on the flight (one upgraded to business and one paid for business). But definitely the standby list for F would be longer with 29 business pax checked in.
I'm not losing sleep over this data. I'm just curious who really gets to show up on the F standby list.
Thanks!
-RM
Which takes me back to my old theory, Platinum and 1K's get offered very high upgrade prices, but Gold and below are given cheap upgrade options...
Mar 23, 2016 | 3:15 pm
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Mar 23, 2016 | 3:42 pm
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Interesting to see the upgrade ratio in F on the ORD 744. I was looking to SDC onto one recently, but it filled up 12/12 with paid tickets before T-24. I think the last two might have been a glitch since two upgrades had cleared by morning (and seats were never assigned), but still went out with 10 paid in F.
Mar 23, 2016 | 3:47 pm
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Yes, I know, thanks 
But LOW/M is not non-rev as he/she doesn't appear on the standby list for the flight. And with a very long upgrade list they wouldn't be clearing non-revs right now considering coach is overbooked and the flight was 20+ hours away.
Interesting thought. I didn't know buy-ups appear as an upgrade on the list. If they bought up to "J" then they should be a purchased "J" seat and not show up on the list (IMO).
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But LOW/M is not non-rev as he/she doesn't appear on the standby list for the flight. And with a very long upgrade list they wouldn't be clearing non-revs right now considering coach is overbooked and the flight was 20+ hours away.LOW/M is probably not a non-rev, because as you point out, he/she is already cleared into J. There are reports of buy-ups to F(or in this case J) which show was cleared upgrades. If it was actually treated as a buy up to J in the backend, then he/she would be CPU eligible for J>F.
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Mar 23, 2016 | 3:58 pm
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(Elite) Standard Awards also show as cleared upgrades. It's because the system will show all tickets with booking codes ON, JN, PN, R, RN, as cleared upgrades. Buyups can book into those classes and may also result in the appearance of an upgrade.
Mar 24, 2016 | 2:26 am
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LOW/M is probably not a non-rev, because as you point out, he/she is already cleared into J. There are reports of buy-ups to F(or in this case J) which show was cleared upgrades. If it was actually treated as a buy up to J in the backend, then he/she would be CPU eligible for J>F.
Some of them, traveling on company business for example, can book right into the Business cabin on a 3-cabin aircraft. And then still waitlist for 3-cabin United First
That's what we call, NRPS, or Non-Revenue Positive-Space.
LOW/M = NRPS (99.9%)
Mar 27, 2016 | 8:05 am
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Have a question, when booking into F on a domestic wide body and the plane is sold as 3 class service, do you get access into UA Club is in F?
Mar 27, 2016 | 8:26 am
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Mar 27, 2016 | 9:38 am
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Mar 28, 2016 | 7:21 am
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Mar 28, 2016 | 10:28 am
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Mar 30, 2016 | 9:34 pm
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Here's a great example of what cheap premium cabin fares have done to upgrade availability: SFO-ORD on the 772 this Friday . . . J and F have been booked full all week, flight status shows 8 upgrades to J, 0 upgrades to F.
When they start using the HD 772 config on this route, we will see flights going out with J filled 100% revenue, zero upgrades.
Not a complaint, just an observation.
When they start using the HD 772 config on this route, we will see flights going out with J filled 100% revenue, zero upgrades.
Not a complaint, just an observation.
Mar 31, 2016 | 3:29 am
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Here's a great example of what cheap premium cabin fares have done to upgrade availability: SFO-ORD on the 772 this Friday . . . J and F have been booked full all week, flight status shows 8 upgrades to J, 0 upgrades to F.
When they start using the HD 772 config on this route, we will see flights going out with J filled 100% revenue, zero upgrades.
Not a complaint, just an observation.
When they start using the HD 772 config on this route, we will see flights going out with J filled 100% revenue, zero upgrades.
Not a complaint, just an observation.