Cockpit security and policies on entering the cockpit [follow up 4U incident thread]
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Video on the procedure of opening the cockpit door
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A similar case of pilot being locked-out, but without lethal consequences, happened on flight ET 702 on 17/02/2014.
When the pilot exited the cockpit to use the restroom, the co-pilot locked the cockpit door and continued to fly the aircraft.[5] The flight was scheduled to arrive at Leonardo da VinciFiumicino Airport in Rome, Italy, at 04:40 CET (UTC+1), before continuing to Malpensa Airport in Milan, Italy.[4] Instead, the aircraft was flown to Geneva, Switzerland, where the copilot of flight 702 circled several times while communicating with air traffic control at Geneva International Airport while trying to broker political asylum for himself and an assurance that he would not be extradited to Ethiopia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopi...nes_Flight_702
When the pilot exited the cockpit to use the restroom, the co-pilot locked the cockpit door and continued to fly the aircraft.[5] The flight was scheduled to arrive at Leonardo da VinciFiumicino Airport in Rome, Italy, at 04:40 CET (UTC+1), before continuing to Malpensa Airport in Milan, Italy.[4] Instead, the aircraft was flown to Geneva, Switzerland, where the copilot of flight 702 circled several times while communicating with air traffic control at Geneva International Airport while trying to broker political asylum for himself and an assurance that he would not be extradited to Ethiopia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopi...nes_Flight_702
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You'd have to allow for every single pilot, as well as flight attendant. Definitely sounds very expensive...
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No remote controlled passenger flights or iPhone fingerprint scanner operated airplanes here....nor a CTR-ALT-DEL to reboot the software. Reality is bit different than at home or on TV.
And surely a FA in the cockpit will be able to reset that autopilot to the correct level.... Or maybe not.
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Why would they put a sharp object that you could injure/kill people in the passenger cockpit post-9/11? The flight attendant unions/groups would vehemently reject it, you can see that after the TSA was contemplating un-banning ridiculously small knives and they lobbied so much against it the TSA abandoned the idea.
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Ever looked at the layout of an a320 or similar airplane.... I bet not. One toilet in front, two (or one) in the back, the rest filled with seats. So you would lose at least two rows of seats. Totally impracticle, nor cost efficient. They are eliminating toilets not creating additional ones.
Giving the pilots a bedpan could work... And hope nobody gets hit on the head with it or gets crazy on landing.
Giving the pilots a bedpan could work... And hope nobody gets hit on the head with it or gets crazy on landing.
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> Additionally the purser should have some kind of emergency door opening code or device.
They do.
On the A320 there is a 'door lock' switch on the center pedestal: Unlock, Lock, Override. In the override position, the external keypad is disabled to protect the pilots from a FA under duress.
Additionally; the cockpit has a good olde mechanical slide-like lock.
They do.
On the A320 there is a 'door lock' switch on the center pedestal: Unlock, Lock, Override. In the override position, the external keypad is disabled to protect the pilots from a FA under duress.
Additionally; the cockpit has a good olde mechanical slide-like lock.
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Norwegian Air have announced 2 person on flightdeck requirement with immediate effect
https://www.dn.no/nyheter/naringsliv...anwingsulykken
https://www.dn.no/nyheter/naringsliv...anwingsulykken
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Norwegian Air have announced 2 person on flightdeck requirement with immediate effect
https://www.dn.no/nyheter/naringsliv...anwingsulykken
https://www.dn.no/nyheter/naringsliv...anwingsulykken
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Or not. There are instances where two in the cockpit apparently didn't prevent similar tragic acts from occurring. There's nothing that can guarantee 100% safety. It's more a Public Relations ploy than anything truly meaningful.
Aircraft fly with one in the cockpit probably thousands of times daily without undue consequences.
Aircraft fly with one in the cockpit probably thousands of times daily without undue consequences.
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Sorry, I just don't see how any argument could made against this standard. Of course, it's not a guarantee that nothing bad will happen.
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It helps with medical emergencies for sure, but in situations like this, I am not sure having another person would have prevented this situation.
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Or not. There are instances where two in the cockpit apparently didn't prevent similar tragic acts from occurring. There's nothing that can guarantee 100% safety. It's more a Public Relations ploy than anything truly meaningful.
Aircraft fly with one in the cockpit probably thousands of times daily without undue consequences.
Aircraft fly with one in the cockpit probably thousands of times daily without undue consequences.
Bottom line is that if one of the pilots is intent on bringing the plane down, it's going to be awfully difficult to prevent that.



