Family of 5- parents with 3 adult children flying from DCA-LGA on Thanksgiving Day and returning on Friday from JFK-DCA. At DCA (USAIR)early Thursday morning fastest security line ever- saw no one being screened other than going thru the usual metal machines.

On Friday however- same family wearing pretty much the same clothing at JFK (American) 3/5 were stopped after the nudeoscope. If 60% of all nudescope passengers who have nothing to hide are called out for screening--- I see a big problem ensuing.. Nudescope the only option after the ID check at Terminal 8. My daughter was taken to a small room with 2 women and after a thorough grope was asked what she had in her pants--" Just the usual parts" she replied. One of the agents asked the other if they should take down her information and went to get a piece of scrap paper and copied info from her boarding pass. Daughter said it seeemd like they had never done this before.

Son declined the small room and was "checked" full pat down style in view of all and hubby had a cursory pat down.

No reason for the enhanced screening given when asked. Are these false positives from the scoping?

Why the different experiences? Is this the return of the flying to DCA post 9/11 "special treatment"?

Nice to see things are back to the new normal with the TSA. Pathetic. We had gate searches at DCA on Thursday for a CRJ. Does that even make sense?

Unfortunately it is a return to TSA's newly warped (and unconstitutional) concept of "normal".

Your son was right to refuse the "small room." Your daughter should have also. These types of pat downs need to be done in public for all other passengers to see - especially after transiting the NOS.

It would seem that most of these post-NOS pat downs are being done because of false positives and, if so, it shows that these machines are not working properly, as has been found to be the case at several airports in Europe.

Doober-- Son was given the option- small room or public grope but my daughter was instructed to "follow" the TSA officer- no option given. I followed them to the groping room- one officer asked the other if the door should be closed...which it was. I waited outside the door. No option given for a witness but I suspect I could/should have demanded to be present even if she is an adult.

I was under the impression that the NOS was to be used only after a more cursory screen indicated the need for further screening but at JFK Terminal 8 all passengers were NOS'd as the first screen.

I'll admit that I haven't flown since the new screenings started, but this whole business of groping people behind closed doors is insane. That is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Any medical professional would never do this!

The MSM would have you believe that the only passengers getting the intense groping, are the ones who refuse to go through the scanners!

[sarcasm] I guess the two different screening procedures are none of our business, though. Telling us why the TSA does these things will only help the terrorists. [/sarcasm]

I would -- 100% of the time -- refuse to be taken into a separate room. If they insisted, I would be shouting (if necessary) for a LEO. If they continued to insist, they would have to drag me. I do not trust the TSA.

You are in a constitution free zone when held by the TSA. I would never go into a private room with the TSA blueshirt. We already see how they hate travlers (smellies, fatties) and they are extremely frustrated along with poor background checks (stalkers apply). Even if there is another Blueshirt in the room with you they could both abuse you and you would have no recourse. Your word against them. Always in public with many witnesses. Somebody will scream rape from one of those private rooms soon.

Over the river and thru the scope

to grandmother�s house we go-o

The TSA knows the way
to spoil the day
by groping us above and below-o


Thru the scanner and off with our shoes-
oh how the fear doth grow-0
Tho the new scanners cant detect
those explosive powders we suspect
The security folks enjoy the nude show-0


Happy Thaksgiving

Big mistake, and contrary to established TSA policy (though we all know what happens when TSOs on site are in a "not today" mood). You do not have to go into a private room, and you have a right to have a witness / traveling companion with you to watch the patdown, regardless of age. (You can recruit a stranger from the line if you're traveling alone.)

There is no way a passenger, especially a woman, should submit to a private groping of intimate areas by TSA. Too many cases on the record of assaultive touching tantamount to date rape. This patdown served no security function. It was done solely to upset your daughter. (What kind of sophisticated security question is, "What do you have in your pants?") You want as many witnesses as you can get.

There are some reports of similar experiences due to feminine hygiene products.

sheneh-- not the case in this instance!

BearX220 Wish I had accompanied her... she is an excellent reporter of fact- The- "what do you have in your pants" is verbatim.

She kinda laughed the whole thing off at first- but is still talking about it a day later-- clearly it was distubing and she is not a neophyte to air travel.

Talking about it is a good sign -- it's when victims go really silent that you start to suspect serious trauma. Keep her talking and encourage her to share her story on the ACLU website:

http://www.aclu.org/passengers-stories-recent-travel/

Getting political is one way to make these violations mean something. Hopefully she'll be able to look back one day and say she helped destroy TSA.

+1. It wouldn't help their image to have two big goons dragging 5'4" (struggling, screaming) me. Not that I think they care.

Not according to the ACLU. They claim that if an "anomaly" is detected on the scanner that you will be subejected to a "resolution pat down" which must be done in private with two agents present. They say that this is the pat down .where the groin it touched by the front of the hand. You have a right to request a witness, and should, according to the ACLU. That sounds like is what happened in this case. The ACLU also suggests that the TSA is required to provide a witness if you request one and are traveling alone. Here is a link to their guide:.

http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-l...ptions-airport

I am worried because my medical device would be an anomaly on the scan. I have no doubt that one day I will .go through the scanner, the alarm goes off, and I will be subjected to this. . .