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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 4:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Italy98
You didn't answer my question SATTSO. How would you feel if it were you walking through the WBI with a penile implant?



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How would i feel? I could care less if someone saw.
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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 4:07 pm
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Heard recently that very tall people stick out over the imaging area and that their head, arms, hands, and shoulders don't get processed. Sounds like another fail for TSA if this is accurate.
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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 4:10 pm
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Originally Posted by sbrower
The scan will not be the evidence. The evidence will be the results of the pat down and the testimony of those who participated in the pat down.
I hope I'd be on the jury for a case where this happens. All the defense attorney would have to do is ask about what triggered the need for the pat down...

Of course, it's not likely that I'd be going in the direction of a guilty verdict with TSA in any way involved in the first place. There are just too many variables there- poor training, some screeners being intellectually challenged, some screeners being morally challenged... There's simply no way to determine the bad apples and rotten apples from the handful of decent ones. That would create holes large enough to drive semi trucks through, as far as I'm concerned.
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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 4:10 pm
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Originally Posted by clrankin
I'd feel more comfortable if TSA just handed over one of their Pedophile Cancer Imagers as configured at airports to some independent third party who could either confirm or deny their ability to print, store, and/or transmit images as advertised by the TSA.

The independent third party could then pass the machine over to doctors and scientists for testing to verify radiation dosage information. A simple chain of custody could be kept at all times, allowing only cleared people to access the machine, should that become a concern of the paranoid in the agency.

Doing this would go a long way to clearing many valid concerns about this equipment. How about it, Bob? Does the TSA have the guts to turn over one of their Perv-O-Matics for some independent analysis?
If it was up to me, I would nlcertainly not hand it over to someone who used the term "Pedophile Cancer Imagers"; nor would I give them access to any thing handed over to an independant third party. Someone who calls it such as is called on this site, well, they are far from biased, and I doubt ANY evidence will sooth them. All it will do is add fuel to a fire; you can't argue with unreasonable people.

Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
Backscatter or MMW?

Actual images on the WBI monitor or printed images?

Training images or working images>

I'm concerned because I believe my government is not telling the truth!
Backscatter. Training and real. And no, not at SAT

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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 4:12 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
How would i feel? I could care less if someone saw.
So that's reason enough for nobody else to have the right to care about being secure in their modesty? TSA has still not provided any good reason to treat airline passengers like they're entering a prison.
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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 4:19 pm
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Originally Posted by BearX220
That's very hard to believe given this excerpt from the cNet / Privacy Inc article linked to above:

"A 70-page document showing the TSA's procurement specifications, classified as 'sensitive security information,' says that in some modes the scanner must 'allow exporting of image data in real time' and provide a mechanism for "high-speed transfer of image data" over the network. (It also says that image filters will 'protect the identity, modesty, and privacy of the passenger.')"

Bolding is mine.

It makes no sense to have a surveillance device that generates evidence of criminal behavior but cannot store it for reference by prosecutors.

This article, currently being bannered atop the Drudge Report and therefore read by millions, shows the federal government has been lying.
" provide a mechanism for "high-speed transfer of image data" over the network."

So this means the image can be transmitted over the network to another storage device?

So when you say the machine cannot print the image that is true. But whats to stop the image being printed somewhere else?
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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 4:21 pm
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Originally Posted by DL-Don
Here's the real test...

Hand over the equipment, as it is configured in airports, to the computer hacker community and see if they can get images from the viewing booth, onto the internet without using cameras, within 60 days. My money is on the hackers.
60? Ha, the number would be a single digit.
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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 4:27 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
How would i feel? I could care less if someone saw.
But seeing isn't really the problem, is it? If such a prosthetic is seen by the nice chap in the private room, he can't tell if it is in fact an implant or, say, a penis bomb. So the implant will now have to be "cleared" (by mechanisms you must know about and which are being kept secret from us). How would you like to have your implant inspected?
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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 4:46 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO

Are there perverts out there? You betcha. Am i going to worry about it? Nope.
Wouldn't you think that there are more sexual perverts in the TSA than there are terrorists at US airports? Yet the TSA doesn't worry about sex perverts in the TSA anywhere as much as the TSA worries about mythical terrorists at US airports.

Welcome to the TSA and its mission of securing US airports for TSA sex perverts.
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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 4:55 pm
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Originally Posted by TSA Bob
TSA has not and will not store images.

All imaging technology machines are delivered to airports for operational use without the capability to store, print or transmit images. There is no way for someone in the airport environment to put the machine into a mode to retain images.

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Any particular reason I should believe this statement, or trust the agency it comes from?

Anyone? Bueller?
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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 4:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Bob at the TSA Blog, Feb 3 2010
These pictures were provided to TSA by the vendor. I have never claimed they are the exact size and resolution that our officers see. I have provided video examples showing what our officers see. I have requested the resolution and size and was told it was proprietary information that I could not release. I'm still looking into being able to get that info for you, but I can't promise anything.
So it's been half a year now, are we to understand that this is not a SSI issue, but rather a government vendor claiming that releasing the actual resolution and size is just a case proprietary information that they don't want released? What are they fearing?
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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 4:57 pm
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Can someone please put him in a smurf shirt?
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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 5:05 pm
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Originally Posted by BubbaLoop
But seeing isn't really the problem, is it? If such a prosthetic is seen by the nice chap in the private room, he can't tell if it is in fact an implant or, say, a penis bomb. So the implant will now have to be "cleared" (by mechanisms you must know about and which are being kept secret from us). How would you like to have your implant inspected?
Let's say what you say is true, you seem to think such a device would have to be cleared by some sort of strip search. Or did I missunderstand you?
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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 5:07 pm
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Originally Posted by IslandBased
Just what kind of "freedom" are we chatting about?
The kind of freedom found in Animal Farm and 1984. Not to mention Paranoia!
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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 5:07 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
Wouldn't you think that there are more sexual perverts in the TSA than there are terrorists at US airports? Yet the TSA doesn't worry about sex perverts in the TSA anywhere as much as the TSA worries about mythical terrorists at US airports.

Welcome to the TSA and its mission of securing US airports for TSA sex perverts.
I disagree.
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