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Old May 21, 2010 | 10:07 pm
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
They have the authority to do that? From where?
The same authoritah that created these disgusting, un-American Kangaroo Courts.
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Old May 21, 2010 | 10:32 pm
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The same authoritah that created these disgusting, un-American Kangaroo Courts.
I would never doubt you but do you have a cite that states the TSA's authority to attach civil penalties to taxes?
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Old May 21, 2010 | 11:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Tom M.
so why would a TSORon ask about an audio track that he should know doesn't exist?
Maybe because he did not know that it doesn't exist. Unless he is assigned to review tapes, how could he know? Does the average blackjack dealer know the recording capabilities of camera systems in Vegas?

And....different airports, different recording capabilities. A lot of the systems are legacy systems installed by airport operators.
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Old May 21, 2010 | 11:12 pm
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Originally Posted by OrvilleWright
And....different airports, different recording capabilities. A lot of the systems are legacy systems installed by airport operators.
That never crossed my mind. That very well could be true. Some airports may have audio recording. ORD has had their whole TSA system replaced since TSA came in. Audio recording would be very difficult to decipher although, think about how much noise there is on a typical checkpoint.
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Old May 22, 2010 | 12:10 am
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Originally Posted by Tom M.
so why would a TSORon ask about an audio track that he should know doesn't exist?
You know why...he's pointing out that we have incomplete information, yet knowing that most of us don't have a problem deciding exactly what happened. And Ron is correct in pointing that out.

Originally Posted by LessO2
Here is the video. Warning: 10 minutes long.

Has very pro-passenger narrative to it.

I thought the TSA doesn't confiscate items. Kind of looks like it here.
We do not confiscate items. Though you may not agree, the TSO cut the lady some slack. When we are called to do a bag check we are to take control of the bag/item, escort the passenger over to a table that has access to ETD, and conduct the search there. Until the end of the process we are to remain in control if the bag/item. That the TSO eventuall conducted the search on the line, not requiring the woman to walk to another area further away from her elderly mother, is evidence she was somewhat lenient. That the TSO allowed the woman herself to throw away the items while still in the checkpoint was extremely lenient of her (btw, the TSO could get in trouble for these violations of SOP - and we are back to another question: do you want TSOs to follow SOP, or make up their own rules?).

So, again, in answer to your question, she took control of the items to bring the woman to a table to conduct the screening. It was not a confiscation.

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Old May 22, 2010 | 12:39 am
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Originally Posted by OrvilleWright
Maybe because he did not know that it doesn't exist. Unless he is assigned to review tapes, how could he know? Does the average blackjack dealer know the recording capabilities of camera systems in Vegas?

Several of my friends are dealers, and, YES, they do know the recording capabilities of the camera systems where they are employed.

Originally Posted by SATTSO
We do not confiscate items. Though you may not agree, the TSO cut the lady some slack. When we are called to do a bag check we are to take control of the bag/item, escort the passenger over to a table that has access to ETD, and conduct the search there. Until the end of the process we are to remain in control if the bag/item. That the TSO eventuall conducted the search on the line, not requiring the woman to walk to another area further away from her elderly mother, is evidence she was somewhat lenient. That the TSO allowed the woman herself to throw away the items while still in the checkpoint was extremely lenient of her (btw, the TSO could get in trouble for these violations of SOP - and we are back to another question: do you want TSOs to follow SOP, or make up their own rules?).

So, again, in answer to your question, she took control of the items to bring the woman to a table to conduct the screening. It was not a confiscation.
Okay, it was not confiscated. The TSA, simply, STOLE an old lady's nourishment. How sad for citizens of the USA that this is allowed to happen.

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Old May 22, 2010 | 12:58 am
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Originally Posted by VonS
Okay, it was not confiscated. The TSA, simply, STOLE an old lady's nourishment.
Ha... Stolen? So if you put something down and I picked it up and moved it to a different location other then where I picked it up from did I steal it from you? I think not. I simply moved it. On that, When you place your items onto the moving conveyor belt, you are releasing those items from your possession for the TSA to screen them for prohibited items. You are allowed to regain possession of the items after the TSA has reasonably determined that none of your items contain any prohibited items. They could have simply placed the cooler outside of the metal detector and said 'those items are prohibited and not allowed inside. You may now take possession of your items.'(which are now on the non sterile side) Did anyone steal anything from you? Nope, we simply have moved your prohibited items and you may now reunite yourself with said prohibited items at their present location outside of the checkpoint.

We don't steal anything from you. It simply is not allowed inside if the sterile area. You are more than welcome to return your items to the airlines check in counter and place those items into luggage. Maybe they should escort every person out and tell them they can go check it in or throw it away themselves. Then we really couldn't be accused of stealing your items, as it is your choice what to do with them.
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Old May 22, 2010 | 12:59 am
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
We do not confiscate items. ...That the TSO allowed the woman herself to throw away the items while still in the checkpoint was extremely lenient of her (btw, the TSO could get in trouble for these violations of SOP - and we are back to another question: do you want TSOs to follow SOP, or make up their own rules?). It was not a confiscation.
Maybe it was not a confiscation, but it was a gross display of poor hygeine.

SATTSO, I am repeating myself from another thread, but since there's a couple of TSA screeners on board, I'd like to ask you and ORDofcr a question: Do you stick your filthy blue-glove covered hands into someone's cooler and root around? That is gross.

NEW GLOVES, OUTTA THE BOX before you touch people's food or medicines or personal property.

Then later in the tape, you see the same TSA screener with the same pair of blue gloves rubbing them blue gloves over her mouth to cover up her laughter at the pax and the pax grandma in the wheelchair. Maybe NOW might be time to switch blue gloves, because they are definitely gross and contaminated and cover with food and saliva. But them blue gloves stay on to welcome the next pax and the next pax's property.

Also, the food Nadine throws on the floor next to the wastebasket sits there for at least 3 minutes, until the tape ends, exactly where the next pax is supposed to come traipsing through in his or her socks or bare feet and collect the shoes. Wouldn't one of the silly TSA screeners take a moment to get the food off the carpet?

TSA screeners are unsanitary and gross--not you two, I'm sure, but definitely the ones in this video.
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Old May 22, 2010 | 1:14 am
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Originally Posted by VonS
Okay, it was not confiscated. The TSA, simply, STOLE an old lady's nourishment. How sad for citizens of the USA that this is allowed to happen.
Actually, I saw in the video the woman herself throwing away the items. Kind of hard to then claim the TSO took them. Unless you think the TSO removed the items from the trash can and ate them

Originally Posted by triehle
Maybe it was not a confiscation, but it was a gross display of poor hygeine.

SATTSO, I am repeating myself from another thread, but since there's a couple of TSA screeners on board, I'd like to ask you and ORDofcr a question: Do you stick your filthy blue-glove covered hands into someone's cooler and root around? That is gross.

NEW GLOVES, OUTTA THE BOX before you touch people's food or medicines or personal property.

Then later in the tape, you see the same TSA screener with the same pair of blue gloves rubbing them blue gloves over her mouth to cover up her laughter at the pax and the pax grandma in the wheelchair. Maybe NOW might be time to switch blue gloves, because they are definitely gross and contaminated and cover with food and saliva. But them blue gloves stay on to welcome the next pax and the next pax's property.

Also, the food Nadine throws on the floor next to the wastebasket sits there for at least 3 minutes, until the tape ends, exactly where the next pax is supposed to come traipsing through in his or her socks or bare feet and collect the shoes. Wouldn't one of the silly TSA screeners take a moment to get the food off the carpet?

TSA screeners are unsanitary and gross--not you two, I'm sure, but definitely the ones in this video.
No, I change gloves between everyone I screen, and each item I screen. And, yes, I have "rooted" around in someones cooler.

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Old May 22, 2010 | 1:28 am
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
No, I change gloves between everyone I screen, and each item I screen. And, yes, I have "rooted" around in someones cooler.
If those gloves just came out of the box, then root away. But please, this is your workplace...if someone throws food on the carpet where you and the pax have to walk, wouldn't you pick the food up and get the area policed ricky-tick? More than a half dozen TSA screeners leave the mess where Nadine threw it.
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Old May 22, 2010 | 1:30 am
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Originally Posted by triehle
If those gloves just came out of the box, then root away. But please, this is your workplace...if someone throws food on the carpet where you and the pax have to walk, wouldn't you pick the food up and get the area policed ricky-tick? More than a half dozen TSA screeners leave the mess where Nadine threw it.
That is not my workspace, I work at another airport.

And yes, I pick up trash from time to time when I see it.

Ok, off to bed for me. Even us evil TSOs plotting world domination one "confiscated" LGA at a time need our beauty sleep. And boy do I NEED beauty sleep!
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Old May 22, 2010 | 1:42 am
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
That is not my workspace, I work at another airport.

And yes, I pick up trash from time to time when I see it.

Ok, off to bed for me. Even us evil TSOs plotting world domination one "confiscated" LGA at a time need our beauty sleep. And boy do I NEED beauty sleep!
Oh, dear. Goodnight to you.

I didn't see it that I saw on the video. TSA is an inappropriate for the behaviors against her elderly mother is retake the applesauce, medication and etc. She want try to suing against TSA. She didn't have any file complaints against TSO is not right thing to do. She has it right to kept the applesauce are not on the liquid restrictions. She have to kept it with the cooler and she doesn't have any common problems. I knew it there is no liquid restrictions and TSA isn't on the prohibited list with the cooler is not allow go through at security. She have to leave behind at home. She have to get it in the another cities.
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Old May 22, 2010 | 2:40 am
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
I would never doubt you but do you have a cite that states the TSA's authority to attach civil penalties to taxes?
I guess it's here:

(j) Collection of civil penalties. If a person does not pay a civil penalty imposed by an order assessing civil penalty or a compromise order within 60 days after service of the order, the Administrator may refer the order to the United States Attorney General, or the delegate of the Attorney General, to begin proceedings to collect the civil penalty. The action will be brought in a United States district court, pursuant to the authority in 49 U.S.C. 46305.

Justia

Maybe someone has a better link?
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Old May 22, 2010 | 6:03 am
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Whether or not she agrees with the fine, she had best pay attention to it. The government has very good bill collectors, and they will get their money. About the dumbest thing she could do is to ignore it because when the TSA refers it to collections, she will no longer be dealing with TSA.

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Old May 22, 2010 | 6:11 am
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
We do not confiscate items. Though you may not agree, the TSO cut the lady some slack. When we are called to do a bag check we are to take control of the bag/item, escort the passenger over to a table that has access to ETD, and conduct the search there. Until the end of the process we are to remain in control if the bag/item. That the TSO eventuall conducted the search on the line, not requiring the woman to walk to another area further away from her elderly mother, is evidence she was somewhat lenient. That the TSO allowed the woman herself to throw away the items while still in the checkpoint was extremely lenient of her (btw, the TSO could get in trouble for these violations of SOP - and we are back to another question: do you want TSOs to follow SOP, or make up their own rules?).

So, again, in answer to your question, she took control of the items to bring the woman to a table to conduct the screening. It was not a confiscation.
TSA deprived this lady of medically exempted items.

The TSA employees should be charged with felonious assault and tried in court.

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