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Dec 26, 2009 | 1:05 am

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Qantas Oneworld Classic Award (question)

Evening All,

I am looking to take a Qantas Oneworld Classic Award. The rules seem reasonably flexible and I don't think the following itinerary violates any (5 stopovers, 16 sectors, max 35k miles, etc.). Can someone please review and let me know if they see a problem with the itinerary (other than availability!!!) ...

MEL-SYD (QF)
SYD-NRT (JL)
NRT-ICN (JL) *stopover*
ICN-NRT (JL) *stopover*
NRT-FRA (JL)
FRA-LHR (BA) *stopover*
LHR-JFK (BA) *stopover*
JFK-YVR (CX) *stopover*
YVR-NRT (JL)
NRT-SYD (JL)
SYD-MEL (QF)

Thanks & Regards.

Dec 26, 2009 | 1:58 am

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Looks good to me ^

Shame us Melbournites have to travel to/from Sydney just to get an International flight...

Dec 26, 2009 | 3:42 am

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What class you will be travelling in? If you can convert LHR from a stopover to a transit, you will save oodles in APD (particularly if flying in J or F).

Dave

Dec 26, 2009 | 1:59 pm

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What class you will be travelling in? If you can convert LHR from a stopover to a transit, you will save oodles in APD (particularly if flying in J or F).

Dave

He could make the stopover in FRA and do a return through Paris to London by land. I thought APD was only on premium fares so if in Y no real damage.

Last year we did MSP-LHR-BOS to avoid APD. We were in F from LHR to BOS.

Dec 26, 2009 | 4:14 pm

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The rates for UK APD were increased Nov 1 2009 and are now banded. The reduced rate is for Y, standard is for Y+/J/F ... so LHR-JFK is between AUD 100 and 200 additional compared to departing anywhere else in Europe:

Standard rates:Band A (0 - 2,000 miles) £22

Band B (2,001 - 4,000 miles) £90

Band C (4,001 - 6,000 miles) £100

Band D (over 6,000 miles) £110

Reduced rates:

Band A (0 - 2,000 miles) £11

Band B (2,001 - 4,000 miles) £45

Band C (4,001 - 6,000 miles) £50Band D (over 6,000 miles) £55

Dec 27, 2009 | 3:54 am

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And NB that is the distance to the capital city of the country you are flying to, beyond any connections less than 24hrs along the way.

e.g. LHR-xAMS-xSIN-SYD = Band D = £110 in J.

This can be used to your advantage:

e.g. if flying to Hawaii it counts as Band B (because LHR-IAD = 3600miles = Band B), despite your much longer flight!

Dec 27, 2009 | 2:39 pm

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Am I correct in assuming if transiting LHR < 24 hrs there is no fee?

Dec 27, 2009 | 3:56 pm

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Am I correct in assuming if transiting LHR < 24 hrs there is no fee?

Yes, but the flights must be on the one intinerary. If the flights are on :

the one PNR then it's all sweet,
separate PNR's then the PNR's need to be 'cross-linked'.

Dec 27, 2009 | 4:50 pm

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And be vigilant with your ticketing agent. The OW online booking tool for example seems to charge the APD even for transits.

Dec 27, 2009 | 6:23 pm

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Yes, but the flights must be on the one intinerary. If the flights are on :

the one PNR then it's all sweet,
separate PNR's then the PNR's need to be 'cross-linked'.

I thought that seperate PNR's meant that the APD had to be charged, since it would be ridiculously easy to change the transit into a stopover without HM Government getting their (un)fair take...

Dave

Dec 27, 2009 | 6:40 pm

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And be vigilant with your ticketing agent. The OW online booking tool for example seems to charge the APD even for transits.

This was fixed about 8 weeks ago. I can't take all the credit but I did have some effective correspondence on this with "oneworld".

(Hey, I was booking for two and was working really hard to avoid the APD.)

Dec 27, 2009 | 7:21 pm

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Good to hear ^

Dec 27, 2009 | 7:40 pm

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Originally Posted by thadocta

Actually, cross-linked was the wrong term, the normal term is "Conjunction Tickets".

As defined here: http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsP...505#P446_28175

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Originally Posted by nsr

I've done exactly this after reading it here a while ago on the APD thread and the tax was waived. The flights were on two different PNRs, one getting into LHR with BA on an award, and the second (a day later), departing on AA upgraded with evip to DFW. I called in advance to AA and asked them to add in each of the PNR the other PNR details.

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The exception in the UK APD rules is for conjunction tickets only. Conjunction tickets means that the whole sequence of flights is a single itinerary and a single contract of carriage, even if it is embodied in several tickets (which often happens when you have too many segments to fit in a single ticket). In practice, conjunction tickets are always stapled together, so the separate booklets hypothesis contemplated in the rules remains in effect just that, i.e. hypothetical.
These rules are stricter than the US rules on exemption from US domestic air transportation tax, which only require a reference in the domestic ticket to the international ticket without requiring them to be conjoined. I have succesfully convinced NW to exempt me from US domestic tax on a tickets bought separately but within the appropriate time bounds of an international ticket (it was hard work, though). This would not be possible for APD.

I can assure you that under The IATA Air Ticket Settlement Plan..any tickets even mixed carriers can be exempted from the APD under the 24 hour transit rule. Its just that neither Travel Agents or Airlines can be bothered to do it. The means are there, its just too much of a hassle. I insist and have had it done for me on at 2 occasions.

Last edited by serfty; Dec 27, 2009 at 8:09 pm

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