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SK actually selling C this summer!

Old Aug 11, 10, 7:06 am
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Smile SK actually selling C this summer!

I'm booked to fly to ORD in C (J fare 2320€ all in) this month and it looks like they are actually selling C, and not zeroing out fare classes to accommodate op-ups from M:


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>AN22AUGcphORD/ASK
AN22AUGCPHORD/ASK                                                               
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** ORD O'HARE INTL.USIL          11 SU 22AUG 0000  
 1   SK 943  C2 D0 J0 Y6 S0 E0 M0 /CPH 3 ORD 5  1540    1730  E0/343       8:50 
             H0 G0                                                              
 2   SK1416  C9 D9 J9 Z9 Y9 S9 B9 /CPH 3 ARN 5  0810    0920  E0/73W            
             E9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 U9 K9 L9 T9 G9                                   
     SK 945  A0 C4 D3 J3 Y7 S0 E0 /ARN 5 ORD 5  1015    1220  E0/333      11:10 
             M0 H0 G0                                                           
                                                                         
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SM SK 0943/C/22AUGCPHORD                                                        
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. AVAILABLE   <> WING     F GEN FACI   K GALLEY   E EXIT    C COT               
+ OCCUPIED    - LAST OFF  H HANDICAP   Q QUIET    G GROUPS  P PET               
/ RESTRICTED  B BULKHEAD  V PREF.SEAT  X BLOCKED  L TOILET  U UMNR              
() SMOKING    D DEPORTEE  UP UP-DECK   Z NO FILM  I INFANT  R REAR              
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SM SK 0943/Y/22AUGCPHORD - HORIZONTAL ONLY FOR THIS CARRIER                     
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. AVAILABLE   <> WING     F GEN FACI   K GALLEY   E EXIT    C COT               
+ OCCUPIED    - LAST OFF  H HANDICAP   Q QUIET    G GROUPS  P PET               
/ RESTRICTED  B BULKHEAD  V PREF.SEAT  X BLOCKED  L TOILET  U UMNR              
() SMOKING    D DEPORTEE  UP UP-DECK   Z NO FILM  I INFANT  R REAR              
>smsk943/m/22augcphord /v
SM SK 0943/M/22AUGCPHORD - HORIZONTAL ONLY FOR THIS CARRIER                     
   SK943/M/22AUG/CPHORD 343                                                     
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. AVAILABLE   <> WING     F GEN FACI   K GALLEY   E EXIT    C COT               
+ OCCUPIED    - LAST OFF  H HANDICAP   Q QUIET    G GROUPS  P PET               
/ RESTRICTED  B BULKHEAD  V PREF.SEAT  X BLOCKED  L TOILET  U UMNR
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Old Aug 11, 10, 8:23 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002 View Post
I'm booked to fly to ORD in C (J fare 2320€ all in) this month and it looks like they are actually selling C, and not zeroing out fare classes to accommodate op-ups from M:
Good for SK! They really need som positive trends now. I also read something in Dagens Industri (http://di.se) that SK had over 95% cabin load factor on US and Asian flights during the summer. ^

If you don't mind me asking, I have noticed that you once in a while fly SK C to US instead of LH. How come? Is it because you visit your swedish girlfriend during a stop over, or do you simply rate SK C over LH C? Or is it a cost issue?

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Old Aug 11, 10, 8:41 am
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SAS just reported a >30% increase of sale in business class compared to the same period last year
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Old Aug 11, 10, 2:40 pm
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The last few years they have actually had some good Z fares. Before 06 when this started, sk was out of reach for me for the most part since i dont have a large scandinaviand corporation with huge sk discounts picking up the tab. Its been very good lately though. Swiss is however quite agressive from norway this year with a lot of good J fares that are changeable and refundable, something z on sk is not.

Anyhow, good for SAS, they have a nice C product
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Old Aug 11, 10, 2:45 pm
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Originally Posted by M747 View Post
Anyhow, good for SAS, they have a nice C product
^
IMO SK's longhaul C product is better than most European carriers'.
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Old Aug 15, 10, 6:20 am
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I've got a weird question - I'm getting a good fare for SVO-IAD through CPH in C via Expedia and Orbitz for this winter's holiday season ($2600 rt ai). When I try and look up the fare rules, it won't give me the fare code or the restrictions before purchase. On the SAS website, it says European C class fares are fully flexible. Does this hold true for the C fares to the US as well? If not, do you all have any suggestions to find out the restrictions on this ticket before purchase?

I'd like to purchase, but there is always a small chance I might not be able to get the exact days off.
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Old Aug 15, 10, 8:34 am
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If this is a SK Z class fare it will not be flexible or refundable...The fare rules for European and longhaul dest. are not the same.

Try to find the same fare on the SK web-page and look up the ticket rules. I doubt this is some kind of special fare restricted to Exp. and Orbitz only.
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Old Aug 15, 10, 8:44 am
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Originally Posted by SK AAR View Post
Try to find the same fare on the SK web-page and look up the ticket rules. I doubt this is some kind of special fare restricted to Exp. and Orbitz only.
Thanks for the advice! I've been trying to do this an get an error each time I try. I'm on a Mac using Chrome (tried in Firefox as well) and understand this can be a problem. I'll try tomorrow on a PC with IE.
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Old Aug 15, 10, 8:56 am
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Originally Posted by A380*G View Post
Good for SK! They really need som positive trends now. I also read something in Dagens Industri (http://di.se) that SK had over 95% cabin load factor on US and Asian flights during the summer. ^
Hi A380*G,

Isn't it because SAS have grounded and/or gotten rid of planes and therefor the cabin load factor have gone up?

I haven't followed along in the development of SAS's acquisitions / selling of hardware but I believe I read somewhere that SAS had grounded at least one A340 at CPH and had gotten rid of leased L/H planes

Could someone clarify?

When it comes to statistics I don't take anything at face value and especially when it involves SAS
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Old Aug 15, 10, 9:14 am
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Originally Posted by Cupart View Post
Hi A380*G,

Isn't it because SAS have grounded and/or gotten rid of planes and therefor the cabin load factor have gone up?

I haven't followed along in the development of SAS's acquisitions / selling of hardware but I believe I read somewhere that SAS had grounded at least one A340 at CPH and had gotten rid of leased L/H planes

Could someone clarify?

When it comes to statistics I don't take anything at face value and especially when it involves SAS
You could be right, or the grounded aircrafts come from the terminated routes CPH-DEL, ARN-PEK, ARN-BKK, and CPH-SEA?
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Old Aug 15, 10, 11:51 am
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Originally Posted by Cupart View Post
Isn't it because SAS have grounded and/or gotten rid of planes and therefor the cabin load factor have gone up?

I haven't followed along in the development of SAS's acquisitions / selling of hardware but I believe I read somewhere that SAS had grounded at least one A340 at CPH and had gotten rid of leased L/H planes
I haven't got data to compare the size of the traffic program this summer with summers historically but coming out of the crisis they've been in I don't think it's necessary; I think it's encouraging enough to see that they achieve a healthy 93% load factor (in June, even higher in July I've heard) on the flights that operated. It's a sign of strength for the product and good to see that Intercont hit the ground running coming out the crisis.
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Old Aug 15, 10, 12:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Paby View Post
I haven't got data to compare the size of the traffic program this summer with summers historically but coming out of the crisis they've been in I don't think it's necessary; I think it's encouraging enough to see that they achieve a healthy 93% load factor (in June, even higher in July I've heard) on the flights that operated. It's a sign of strength for the product and good to see that Intercont hit the ground running coming out the crisis.
Not necessarily. There may be many outside factors that could have an effect on a very high load factor (in a positive way) through the busy summer months.

  • How many cancelations did SAS have during the summer period forcing stranded PAX to board a later SAS flight?
  • Did other non alliance airlines suffer many cancelations that operate on the same route(s) as SAS?

Now the load factor was based on the US and Asian numbers, in which many routs had been axed and drastically reduced from earlier so of course the load factor was better and therefor higher

Now this clearly shows that just because the airline has a high load factor it doesn't mean that it's product is good. When it comes to SAS it's by far the norm IMO as they don't have a name worthy product
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Old Aug 16, 10, 2:19 am
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My colleague is trying to be on an earlier flight (friday or saturday instead of sunday) and SK is really sold out over the atlantic, even coming back . What bugs me is that M is very much oversold and since C is sold its going to cause a bad crunch if all show. Considering its summer vacation time and these are mostly leisure travellers all will show. I just hope my flight from MUC is not late as we have a 70 min connection and the ORD flight will be dispatched on time if it helps them relieve the oversold situation... Thank god LH434 is open in C, so that should provide an alternative in case SK1661 is late:

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AN22AUGMUCORD/ALH,SK                                                            
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** ORD O'HARE INTL.USIL           6 SU 22AUG 0000 
                        
 1UA:LH9268  F2 AL J4 C4 D4 Z4 Y4 /MUC 2 ORD 5  1235    1506  E0/777       9:31 
             B4 M4                                                              
 2   LH 434  F6 A6 J9 C9 D9 ZL Y7 /MUC 2 ORD 5  1540    1820  E0/346       9:40 
             B3 ML HL QL VL SL                                                  
 3   LH 961  J9 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 /MUC 2 FRA 1  0620    0725  E0/735            
             H9 Q9 V9 W9 U9 S9 P9                                               
  UA:LH9152  F2 AL J4 C4 D4 Z4 Y4 /FRA 1 ORD 5  0825    1035  E0/777      11:15 
             B4 M4 H4 Q4                                                        
 4   SK1666  C3 D0 J0 Y0 S0 E0 M0 /MUC 2 CPH 3  1300    1430  E0/CR9            
             H0 G0                                                              
     SK 943  C0 D0 J0 Y0 S0 E0 M0 /CPH 3 ORD 5  1540    1730  E0/343      11:30 
             H0 G0                                                              
 5SK:LH6052  J3 C3 D0 Z0 Y0 M0 H0 /MUC 2 CPH 3  1300    1430  E0/CR9            
             P0 G0                                                              
  SK:LH6276  J0 C0 D0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 /CPH 3 ORD 5  1540    1730  E0/343  TR  11:30 
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Old Aug 16, 10, 9:15 am
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Originally Posted by Cupart View Post
Now this clearly shows that just because the airline has a high load factor it doesn't mean that it's product is good. When it comes to SAS it's by far the norm IMO as they don't have a name worthy product
What does their product has to do with the cabin factor? An airline can have a poor product but still have high cabin factor, or a low cabin factor but a very solid (hard and soft) product!

Overall I am not a huge fan of SK anymore, but their Y+ and C product on longhaul is IMO very solid in most aspects.
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