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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 3:47 pm
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Quick question re: e-rewards

Hi all,

I searched on this and it seems like it's not a problem, but I wanted to be sure so I thought I'd ask outright:

If I wanted to redeem an e-Rewards reward (e.g. airline miles) for a friend or family member, I know that I need to change the name on the account. I know others have done this, hence this question goes to them:

How soon do you change the name back - immediately after redemption, or after some time? How long do airline mile rewards take to post? Have you had any issues where e-Rewards questioned why you changed the name on your account and back again?

Thanks for the advice!
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 5:10 pm
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I changed it back when I redeemed my next reward which was about 4 month's later.
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Old Oct 28, 2006 | 3:20 am
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Originally Posted by cepheid
Hi all,

I searched on this and it seems like it's not a problem, but I wanted to be sure so I thought I'd ask outright:

If I wanted to redeem an e-Rewards reward (e.g. airline miles) for a friend or family member, I know that I need to change the name on the account. I know others have done this, hence this question goes to them:

How soon do you change the name back - immediately after redemption, or after some time? How long do airline mile rewards take to post? Have you had any issues where e-Rewards questioned why you changed the name on your account and back again?

Thanks for the advice!
This would be a violation of the rules of the program.
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Old Oct 28, 2006 | 3:34 am
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Originally Posted by mvoight
This would be a violation of the rules of the program.
How do you come to this conclusion?

These are the applicable clauses from the Membership Agreement:
Section 4) Value of The e-Rewards Currency
b. e-Rewards Currency is not transferable:
i. It may not be auctioned, traded, bartered or sold
ii. It is not transferable...
2. ...by gift.
Section 7) Redeeming e-Rewards Currency
e. Member agrees not to sell, resell, auction, trade or barter rewards obtained with e-Rewards currency.
As to Section 4b, I would not be transfering any of the e-Rewards currency (i.e. it is not moving to anyone else's account) nor would I be auctioning, trading, bartering or selling it. As to Section 7e, I again would not be selling, reselling, auctioning, trading, or bartering an award. The Member Agreement does not say anything about giving an award by gift with nothing in exchange; it disallows gifting of the e-Rewards currency itself (which I wouldn't be doing) and it disallows selling/trading of the currency or awards (which I also wouldn't be doing).

I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything, but how would you interpret gifting of an award to be a violation of the Agreement?

Just curious here.
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Old Oct 29, 2006 | 4:26 pm
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I would not advise it

I would not advise changing your frequent flyer account to your name and then change it back.

This issue is a gray area and easily result in your e-rewards account being nuked. Especially when I hear they have been cracking down and closing loopholes. On top of that, additional language been added to their new surveys warning of account termination if violating the T&C of the e-rewards agreement.

E-rewards checks your name and your destination account name and they do get suspicious if you have 2 airline miles transfers in 1 year. The airline mileage awards are 1x a year, no matter the amount.
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Old Oct 29, 2006 | 4:53 pm
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Originally Posted by eeprofessional
This issue is a gray area and easily result in your e-rewards account being nuked.
It is certainly a gray area but is not explicitly barred by the T&Cs. IANAL but I would think they would have to explicitly close that loophole before being justified in nuking someone's account. Mileage running is also a gray area that exploits a loophole in the T&Cs of airline programs, but nobody's account gets nuked for doing that (except possibly for Delta).

Originally Posted by eeprofessional
On top of that, additional language been added to their new surveys warning of account termination if violating the T&C of the e-rewards agreement.
Actually, IIRC the additional language does not refer to the T&Cs specifically but states that providing false information is grounds for termination. However, this is because providing false information is in effect fraudulently obtaining a reward (by filling out a survey for which you are not qualified). Despite the gray area, there is no overt fraud in gifting an (already earned!) reward to a friend or family member, as long as it is a true gift and not a sale/trade.

Originally Posted by eeprofessional
E-rewards checks your name and your destination account name and they do get suspicious if you have 2 airline miles transfers in 1 year. The airline mileage awards are 1x a year, no matter the amount.
Sure, but I believe e-Rewards does not check the transaction history of the airline account, only of the e-Rewards account. Their system explicitly denies multiple transfers in a year anyway, and as evidenced by other threads here, changing the name on the e-Rewards account does not work to allow multiple redemptions - the system recognizes that the specific account (regardless of what name is on it) has redeemed in the past year and disallows multiple redemptions. While the e-Rewards account name and the airline account name must match (hence my original question of changing the name), I don't believe e-Rewards checks the transaction history of the destination airline account (the airline would need to provide access to that history and I don't believe that happens).

In any case, while I genuinely appreciate the concern, I am not trying to justify whether or not this is a good idea... I am sure there are risks involved although this is not explicitly prohibited by the T&Cs (although I agree it is a "gray area"). My question was whether other people who have done this have experienced problems and/or what their procedures were.
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Old Oct 30, 2006 | 3:44 pm
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Originally Posted by cepheid
As to Section 4b, I would not be transfering any of the e-Rewards currency (i.e. it is not moving to anyone else's account) nor would I be auctioning, trading, bartering or selling it.
I would think that by changing the name of an account, you are effectively transferring the e-Rewards currency accrued in it to another person.
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