Why Hate RyanAir?
 

Hi,

its a Panorama program on Monday night.

Cheers,
Karen

Oh yeah...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00n9mdm

No doubt they'll still make it appear a better alternative to BA :rolleyes:

Just saw the advert for this on BBC1?

I wonder if the BBC could turn this into "Why hate Ryanair ....when you should hate BA instead"; i.e. BA bashing rather than Ryan Air bashing

The beeb actually gave ryanscare a bit of a bashing on Thursday nights one show as well !

:D

No. The dreadful quasi-teenage presenter did badly and let MOL off the hook. Not once were the BBC able to substantiate any of the (admittedly nebulous) claims.

As he said with the broadest smile on his face, he didn't mind what they were saying as long as they were discussing Ryanair.

And on watchdog

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...a-content.html

No, it won't promote LiarAir either. It will similarly dress both LiarAir and BA down and promote VS.

RyanAir published their communications with the BBC. Makes an amusing read.

http://ftalphaville.ft.com/lib/data/...e-02-10-09.doc

They certainly aren't expecting a brighter impression from the programme.

Those documents do make for good reading. I enjoyed the RyanAir emails, too the point. Shame that she probably now needs to change her mobile number as that and her email address are in the public domain.

Even without wearing my Vulcan ears- ( apologies- just seen the latest Star Trek film) -why would I feel hate towards a service provider?

Ryanair hasnt done me any harm -and I've used their services a fair few times.

If they did me any harm I would just look at getting even-if I could.

I realise that some businesses like to encourage an emotional response to their offering-I don't mind a spot of Marmite now and again-but I dont have quite the emotional attachment to it that the product's advertisers are presumably hoping I might develop to encourage loyalty to that offering.

:rolleyes: "Why did you fly british midland when you could have saved licence payers money travelling on one of our cheap flights from an airport nowhere near the BBC blah, blah, blah"

MOL justs loves the chance for publicity ;)

There seems no point to make a programme critical of Ryanair, somehow MOL just turns them in his favour. There's no real investigation needed, all the bad things about Ryanair can be found out by reading their site. All we need is to educate people to read the small print, never assume anything is free.

I did chuckle at that comment. I have to say whilst I don't *hate* FR, I certainly choose not to fly with them. Call me a snob but the times I've flown with them it has been the other pax that I've found for the most part quite odious. If there was a discount PUCCI amongst the ranks of whatever dark hole of FT the FR fans reside in, I imagine the entire forum would be flooded with TFT... oh hang on, do FR planes even have a Galley or is there a vending machine and a Flavia sitting where the ovens are?

'Ryanair in row over Panorama programme'
 

Upping the ante? After all, MOL welcomes any mention of FR. OTOH, it looks as though he won't get such an easy touch as on Watchdog.
http://www.travelmole.com/stories/1138866.php

There's an article on the BBC site today also:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8297211.stm

OT; Panorama Programme on now - Why hate Ryanair?
 

Well it has just started... just settling down with a glass of wine to enjoy it. ;)

I'll let you know what I think. In the meantime... post your comments.

Panorama - Ryanair
 

Anyone watching Panorama now - Ryanair programme ... interesting ??

some of the "hidden" charges.

Online Check in £5.00 per person
Credit card payment £5.00 per person per flight

Forget to print boarding pass at home £40.00 !!!! per person

£1/2 billion last year made from above alone.

Makes you wonder why people fly with them!

Not got time to watch it, will catch up on iplayer. Depending on the content of the programme but hasn't this already been covered before by C4

http://www.channel4.com/news/microsi...ing/index.html

Well they do have their fans. ;)

But my wife (sitting in the other room) is already shouting at the telly! :D

Not sure I would be very happy about the pilots not having enough time to do their flight plans properly!

Makes you wonder whether they scrimp on the maintenance too! :eek:

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O'Leary played them like fools.

Awful, awful programme. 30 mins of my life I won't get back...

It smacked of a programme that was commissioned, they tried to dig up dirt, didn't get anywhere enough material but decided to run with it anyway.

Loved the quote from O'Leary at the end:

"64 million people flew Ryanair last year - which is more than watch Panorama or who watch the BBC."

I see the good CEO has lost the ability to count, as he seems to not realise that maybe - just maybe - the same people fly on Ryanair again and again, just like the same people watch Panorama (or the BBC) again and again. :rolleyes:

I bet if you added up every time I watch the BBC in a year and then added that to every time every other member of the British public watched the BBC in a year, you'd get a lot more than 64 million.

Well, now it is over..... I feel a bit cheated! The programe did not really say anything new. Not sure what the point of it was. :confused:

Three threads merged into one and a run of the feather duster. That'll be £1 please ;) :)

The channel 4 one was much more interesting, but the BBC still managed to get a stab in at BA near the end.

Also as well as not giving pilots enough time to do their planning they also don't even provide them with water now, never mind food.

Still good to know that guy in Leeds has career aspirations to work for them :rolleyes:

What a miserable, poorly presented, badly edited, inaccurate programme! Unworthy of the once great Panorama branding. It made me ashamed to be a licence payer (even if I watched it on my laptop). The fair-minded, independent FTers in the BA forum will recognise what a stitch-up this was. :p

All of the usual inaccuracies came out, though when the dreadful presenter got his face-to-face meeting with MOL he did very badly indeed. :D

Good that they got a real passenger using 2p return flights. Bad that the miserable presenter said most people couldn't book at short notice to benefit from the 2p fares. Wrong, Mr White. The promotional fares have a 14-day advance booking. Bookings at short notice are expensive.

[Not in the programme] Visa Electron cards are used to pay for an astonishing proportion of FR tickets - 35+%? perhaps more. [In the programme] Visa Electron cards are not issued here. :confused: Wrong, Mr White. What is this Visa Electron card in my pocket? The young passenger mentioned his, from Barclays IIRC.

Etc etc etc.

The programme is at www.bbc.co.uk/panorama.e

Hey, at least the guy in Leeds has career aspirations. :D

The Attenborough programme on right now (after Panorama) is far better IMHO.

I think they actually said Visa Electron Debt cards were issued in the UK but not Visa Electron Credit Cards - didn't even know they existed!

Surely they missed a trick by not focussing on Ryanair's handling of irrops?

A pretty pointless programme, didn't tell us anything we didn't know already.

Think that about sums it up! Typical of Panorama/Dispatchers type program. If Ryanair pilots were not given enough time to do flight planning (even though this is in reality a dispatchers job?) then FR planes would be falling out the sky left, right and centre surley :confused:

I'm also still about confused, about all these so called *hidden* charges Ryanair puts on people. I find there website to be quite detailed in all the charges and in no way tried to hide them. I made some dummy booking, I put in some random days in November (11/12th) and a return to Madrid.

A comparison is difficult because FR use STN wheras BA use LHR, but Ryanair was £45 (of which £10 was paying with my Mastercard) and BA was £131.50 (of which £4.50 was mastercard fee). So an £86.50 fare difference. Now I don't know about you, but I only fly with hand luggage usually, i always check in online. Now BA have moved to giving out bird food on board...

Also, Visa electron cards, in the UK at least are usually issued by a number of banks (e.g. I have a halifax one just for buying Ryanair and easyJet tickets).

I for one find it best to use whatever airline takes you to where you want to go! If I want to go London to Paris, i'll use BA to take me to CDG and not Ryanair who take me to Beauvais! If I want to go to Madrid from the UK i take a direct flight, not 3 stops via Germany just to use LH.

(Prepares to be flamed :cool:)

They don't. Just another example of the BBC's inadequate knowledge and poor reporting. And I defer to your better hearing. :)

With a population of 61 million. Would mean that a v high percentage of all the people in the UK plus a lot of tourists flew on FR

Dave

Or perhaps a high proportion of those people who flew Ryanair did so more than once...?

What? What??? Get off flyertalk now! :D

Nothing to do with dispatchers in Europe, thats a US thing.

45 mins is nothing like enough time for a thorough briefing for a multi sector day.

Surely you are under valuing your time here!!

in true ryanscare fassion it should be at least 50quid for your 5 mins work involving a few key strokes! !!

I read all the correspondance between Ryanair and Panorama last night. It gave me little appetite to watch the show and from what you guys say that was the right decision;)

I actually felt sorry for MOL having to defend himself against continuous Qs from the production team. I have a choice to fly Ryanair - unfortunately I don't have a choice on whether to buy on a tv license if I want to own a television set and would prefer to see my money spent more wisely by the BBC.

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Good point.

They booked FR - using the license payers' money. Where did they go? The biggest FR airports like DUB? Any of the other regular aiports used by FR? No, Stockholm-Vasteras. Why? Presumably to get in the dig about the aiport being a long way away. OK. Then they took the bus to the city? No. The train? No.

They hired a car! Oh well, it's on expenses, paid for by you and me. :rolleyes: I'm pretty sure that if I went to Vasteras on a low price airline, I'd be taking the bus. @:-)

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