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Apr 17, 2002 | 3:00 am
#1
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Can this really be true!!!
On the qualiflyer website award calculator I was checking how many miles I needed for MAN-FCO. It showed 15,000 miles with Swiss and SN. However, for curiosity I checked the points needed using Cathay, it said 15,000 points also.
Now, Qualiflyer allows 1 stopover, so can I really fly MAN-HKG (stopover), HKG-FCO(stay), then return by the same route for only 15,000. It seems valid, as it rejected the use of Quantas?
On the qualiflyer website award calculator I was checking how many miles I needed for MAN-FCO. It showed 15,000 miles with Swiss and SN. However, for curiosity I checked the points needed using Cathay, it said 15,000 points also.
Now, Qualiflyer allows 1 stopover, so can I really fly MAN-HKG (stopover), HKG-FCO(stay), then return by the same route for only 15,000. It seems valid, as it rejected the use of Quantas?
Apr 17, 2002 | 3:04 am
#2
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Further to my posting I have just checked the qualiflyer book on miles (the old one!!)
This goves mile Europe/N.Africa - Europe/N.Africa as 20,000 miles. Nowhere could I find that it disallowed my routing above
This goves mile Europe/N.Africa - Europe/N.Africa as 20,000 miles. Nowhere could I find that it disallowed my routing above
Apr 17, 2002 | 3:25 am
#3
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TRESY:
Can this really be true!!!
On the qualiflyer website award calculator I was checking how many miles I needed for MAN-FCO. It showed 15,000 miles with Swiss and SN. However, for curiosity I checked the points needed using Cathay, it said 15,000 points also.
Now, Qualiflyer allows 1 stopover, so can I really fly MAN-HKG (stopover), HKG-FCO(stay), then return by the same route for only 15,000. It seems valid, as it rejected the use of Quantas?</font>
Can this really be true!!!
On the qualiflyer website award calculator I was checking how many miles I needed for MAN-FCO. It showed 15,000 miles with Swiss and SN. However, for curiosity I checked the points needed using Cathay, it said 15,000 points also.
Now, Qualiflyer allows 1 stopover, so can I really fly MAN-HKG (stopover), HKG-FCO(stay), then return by the same route for only 15,000. It seems valid, as it rejected the use of Quantas?</font>
The routing you mention (via HKG) will not be valid for 20 000 miles.
There is a rule which applies to 'Zone Jumping' which says that if your destination is in one zone, but your routing takes you via another zone which is further away, then the mileage for the further zone will apply.
This rule is outlined in the Qualiflyer handbook under 'rules for special cases'. The only exception is where a connection can ONLY be made on Qualiflyer Partner Airlines via this further zone. This will not apply on your given routing.
Hope this has been of some help.
Cheers
WG
Apr 17, 2002 | 5:29 am
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I once managed to book an award within the Europe Zone including 8 segments, routing was ZRH-MAD-WAW-LHR-LIS-ARN-BRU-IST-ZRH, I cost me 25'000 miles in C, it was all legal but in the end I couldn't fly it because of the Swissair grounding.
Your routing however is not valid, because as Wynand pointed out, it includes Zone Jumping.
Sorry.
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airOli, the Swiss Air Line.
Your routing however is not valid, because as Wynand pointed out, it includes Zone Jumping.
Sorry.
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airOli, the Swiss Air Line.
Apr 17, 2002 | 11:56 am
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airoli, you said:
"I once managed to book an award within the Europe Zone including 8 segments, routing was ZRH-MAD-WAW-LHR-LIS-ARN-BRU-IST-ZRH, I cost me 25'000 miles in C, "
i assume this was a ZRH-LIS route, or something...
isn't there a no-stopover rule? i.e. you had to just spend a few hours (but no overnight stay)in each city? makes sense for a mileage run on a paid ticket, but what is the point of doing it on an award ticket!?
-rishab
"I once managed to book an award within the Europe Zone including 8 segments, routing was ZRH-MAD-WAW-LHR-LIS-ARN-BRU-IST-ZRH, I cost me 25'000 miles in C, "
i assume this was a ZRH-LIS route, or something...
isn't there a no-stopover rule? i.e. you had to just spend a few hours (but no overnight stay)in each city? makes sense for a mileage run on a paid ticket, but what is the point of doing it on an award ticket!?
-rishab
Apr 17, 2002 | 1:14 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by rishab:
isn't there a no-stopover rule? i.e. you had to just spend a few hours (but no overnight stay)in each city? makes sense for a mileage run on a paid ticket, but what is the point of doing it on an award ticket!?
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isn't there a no-stopover rule? i.e. you had to just spend a few hours (but no overnight stay)in each city? makes sense for a mileage run on a paid ticket, but what is the point of doing it on an award ticket!?
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airOli, the Swiss Air Line.
Apr 17, 2002 | 1:48 pm
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in November I did:
CPH-HEL-TLL-WAW-IST-ZRH-MAN
was orginally supposed to end in EDI (IST-BRU-EDI) but the death of SN stoppped that.
In the ned the final leg was IST-ZRH-BRU-EDI(last flight on BD) becuase our ZRH-MAN flight was cancelled and we would have missed out (paid for connection) MAN-EDI.
The 23 hr 59 min non-stopover does work and we had great fun working our way around Europe in C class.
Stephen
CPH-HEL-TLL-WAW-IST-ZRH-MAN
was orginally supposed to end in EDI (IST-BRU-EDI) but the death of SN stoppped that.
In the ned the final leg was IST-ZRH-BRU-EDI(last flight on BD) becuase our ZRH-MAN flight was cancelled and we would have missed out (paid for connection) MAN-EDI.
The 23 hr 59 min non-stopover does work and we had great fun working our way around Europe in C class.
Stephen