BKK Downgrades 2017: F to J
#1
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BKK Downgrades 2017: F to J
Just noticed that QR831 changed from A380 to 777 in December. My F fare got changed to a C fare. Yes yes, I know, never book with QR for a particular aircraft. But in essence, this means that booking F with QR is a total crapshoot.
The remaining alternatives have worse timing. Is it even worth asking QR whether they would rebook on another airline?
The remaining alternatives have worse timing. Is it even worth asking QR whether they would rebook on another airline?
#2
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That might be a bit of an exaggeration. Yes, I would agree that it's a crapshoot on BKK flights. Clearly not on CDG or LHR, for example. And you think that QR is a crapshoot? Try CX in either direction between BKK and HKG. It's almost as if they use a random number generator to assign aircraft.
#3
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That might be a bit of an exaggeration. Yes, I would agree that it's a crapshoot on BKK flights. Clearly not on CDG or LHR, for example. And you think that QR is a crapshoot? Try CX in either direction between BKK and HKG. It's almost as if they use a random number generator to assign aircraft.
You are right of course that so far for A380, this has mostly been a problem with the BKK route.
As for CX, I only used them for long haul. So far I haven't experienced a cancelled F leg, but I assume that if it would happen they would't leave it up to me to figure out how to handle it.
I just tried to figure out an alternative routing on QR's network. Instead of leaving BKK in the morning, I could leave in the evening the day before that, yet taking the same flight onwards since there is no earlier one. However, this would most likely mean that I won't get AS access since my layover would be too long for the incoming long haul rule to apply, and no STPC since there's a shorter connection available.
#4
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Just noticed that QR831 changed from A380 to 777 in December. My F fare got changed to a C fare. Yes yes, I know, never book with QR for a particular aircraft. But in essence, this means that booking F with QR is a total crapshoot.
The remaining alternatives have worse timing. Is it even worth asking QR whether they would rebook on another airline?
The remaining alternatives have worse timing. Is it even worth asking QR whether they would rebook on another airline?
#5
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 184
BKK Downgrades 2017: F to J
My flight QR 831 BKK-DOH on December 1st has changed from A380 to B777.
Very disappointing, being a solo traveller (and anti-social!). I've been looking forward to this flight since I booked in January. I know the risk with QR, but I had high hopes. Sigh.
I enquired about changing to an earlier flight on a 787 but with a charge of £857 (!) I declined...
I don't see this change in any of the published schedule changes. Does anyone know more? Is it a permanent change or is there some chance I might get lucky and see it switch back to an A380?
Very disappointing, being a solo traveller (and anti-social!). I've been looking forward to this flight since I booked in January. I know the risk with QR, but I had high hopes. Sigh.
I enquired about changing to an earlier flight on a 787 but with a charge of £857 (!) I declined...
I don't see this change in any of the published schedule changes. Does anyone know more? Is it a permanent change or is there some chance I might get lucky and see it switch back to an A380?
#7
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Here's how this will play out.
QR will likely advise you that the difference in fare is minimal, and as such there is only a small refund due to you.
There is a similar poster to you in the Operational Changes thread already, so I suppose this will apply to both of you.
You can request the following:
1) You can switch to an A380 service within 24 hours of your original flight. I understand, although I haven't checked myself, that the new A380 flight time, is rather poor.
As such, you may find this option of little benefit - albeit you would at least remain in F.
2) You can request what you are entitled to - 75% of the fare difference.
Now, this is where the Souk Mentality kicks in. This process will take time (allow 3-4 email responses, and the escalation to Supervisor level).
You will eventually get the refund you'd expect, but it won't be a simple battle. Many have tried, and many have succeeded.
Do let us know how you get on.
Safe travels,
M
#8
Join Date: Jun 2014
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Change number 6, now our BKK-DOH leg in November has changed from an A380 to a 777. I'm not sure how they have squeezed a full J into the new equipment. Seat allocation has changed again although this time they have given us a twin by the window. I only checked due to reading this thread earlier today, and neither QR or Myflights emailed notification
I'm hoping I'm blown away by the QR experience as I'm not impressed up to now by the sheer number of equipment/time changes to my booking. 5/6 I've received no notification from QR, and on two occasions Myflights haven't picked up on the changes.
I'm hoping I'm blown away by the QR experience as I'm not impressed up to now by the sheer number of equipment/time changes to my booking. 5/6 I've received no notification from QR, and on two occasions Myflights haven't picked up on the changes.
#9
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My flight QR 831 change too, downgraded from F to J, as there is only 24 seat on the 77w my husband and I are not any more together....
Will have to fight to get some refund and hope we can change the seat assigment at the check in. Not seat available online .....
Will have to fight to get some refund and hope we can change the seat assigment at the check in. Not seat available online .....
#11
Join Date: Sep 2014
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Change number 6, now our BKK-DOH leg in November has changed from an A380 to a 777. I'm not sure how they have squeezed a full J into the new equipment. Seat allocation has changed again although this time they have given us a twin by the window. I only checked due to reading this thread earlier today, and neither QR or Myflights emailed notification
I'm hoping I'm blown away by the QR experience as I'm not impressed up to now by the sheer number of equipment/time changes to my booking. 5/6 I've received no notification from QR, and on two occasions Myflights haven't picked up on the changes.
I'm hoping I'm blown away by the QR experience as I'm not impressed up to now by the sheer number of equipment/time changes to my booking. 5/6 I've received no notification from QR, and on two occasions Myflights haven't picked up on the changes.
I loved QR but there is too much last minutes changed the past month, I'm a litle bit tired of their games .
#12
Join Date: Jun 2014
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Perhaps we are but I've never had more than two changes with any airline. I know the T&C's mean nothing is guaranteed but airlines do create expectations with their blurb and if they can't/don't live up to to that then they are fair game for criticism/poor reviews imho.
#13
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Yesterday was a fun day!
After spending a lot of time trying and failing to get through to QR in London I called the US number last night.
One ring and I was through.
Offers were as you mention - the 1930 flight the night before (couldn't go the same day as had connecting flights booked to get me back to Cairo) or an indeterminate refund.
Took the 1930 offer and that was OK until they found that the ticket had already been rebooked once - to swap from CAI-DOH to AMM-DOH. More waiting but eventually rebooked.
Just booked the airport hotel as their system cannot tell that my stay is long enough on the way back for the free visa and hotel! Sigh.
If they were not so good in the air, I'd never travel again on QR based on the ground and phone experiences!
After spending a lot of time trying and failing to get through to QR in London I called the US number last night.
One ring and I was through.
Offers were as you mention - the 1930 flight the night before (couldn't go the same day as had connecting flights booked to get me back to Cairo) or an indeterminate refund.
Took the 1930 offer and that was OK until they found that the ticket had already been rebooked once - to swap from CAI-DOH to AMM-DOH. More waiting but eventually rebooked.
Just booked the airport hotel as their system cannot tell that my stay is long enough on the way back for the free visa and hotel! Sigh.
If they were not so good in the air, I'd never travel again on QR based on the ground and phone experiences!
Welcome to the QR Souk Experience.
Here's how this will play out.
QR will likely advise you that the difference in fare is minimal, and as such there is only a small refund due to you.
There is a similar poster to you in the Operational Changes thread already, so I suppose this will apply to both of you.
You can request the following:
1) You can switch to an A380 service within 24 hours of your original flight. I understand, although I haven't checked myself, that the new A380 flight time, is rather poor.
As such, you may find this option of little benefit - albeit you would at least remain in F.
2) You can request what you are entitled to - 75% of the fare difference.
Now, this is where the Souk Mentality kicks in. This process will take time (allow 3-4 email responses, and the escalation to Supervisor level).
You will eventually get the refund you'd expect, but it won't be a simple battle. Many have tried, and many have succeeded.
Do let us know how you get on.
Safe travels,
M
Here's how this will play out.
QR will likely advise you that the difference in fare is minimal, and as such there is only a small refund due to you.
There is a similar poster to you in the Operational Changes thread already, so I suppose this will apply to both of you.
You can request the following:
1) You can switch to an A380 service within 24 hours of your original flight. I understand, although I haven't checked myself, that the new A380 flight time, is rather poor.
As such, you may find this option of little benefit - albeit you would at least remain in F.
2) You can request what you are entitled to - 75% of the fare difference.
Now, this is where the Souk Mentality kicks in. This process will take time (allow 3-4 email responses, and the escalation to Supervisor level).
You will eventually get the refund you'd expect, but it won't be a simple battle. Many have tried, and many have succeeded.
Do let us know how you get on.
Safe travels,
M
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I've also been hit with the F->C downgrade on DOH-BKK and they didn't even change the class, plane type, ... on the third party PNR which means rebooking would be on my dime.