Should I be worried...
Feb 28, 2014, 10:19 am
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Should I be worried...
... about booking overseas travel on Qantas this summer?
Been reading a lot of the news posted here, and it's making me just a bit concerned about my flight plans for August — specifically the following:
I understand that anything's possible, but are any of these flights more (or less likely) to be pulled than others?
Been reading a lot of the news posted here, and it's making me just a bit concerned about my flight plans for August — specifically the following:
- QF107/108 JFK to LAX and back
- QF94 LAX to MEL
- QF15 BNE to LAX
I understand that anything's possible, but are any of these flights more (or less likely) to be pulled than others?
Feb 28, 2014, 10:58 am
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... about booking overseas travel on Qantas this summer?
Been reading a lot of the news posted here, and it's making me just a bit concerned about my flight plans for August — specifically the following:
I understand that anything's possible, but are any of these flights more (or less likely) to be pulled than others?
Been reading a lot of the news posted here, and it's making me just a bit concerned about my flight plans for August — specifically the following:
- QF107/108 JFK to LAX and back
- QF94 LAX to MEL
- QF15 BNE to LAX
I understand that anything's possible, but are any of these flights more (or less likely) to be pulled than others?
Feb 28, 2014, 11:26 am
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Qantas isn't going bust. (well, not for the time being anyway)
It's reacting like a business that is trying to look towards a future, much like all the US airlines did who have the benefit of Chapter 11 protection - except Qantas doesn't.
There's no mention of the routes you mentioned here. So unless something materially changes, I'd say sit back, relax and enjoy the flight.
It's reacting like a business that is trying to look towards a future, much like all the US airlines did who have the benefit of Chapter 11 protection - except Qantas doesn't.
There's no mention of the routes you mentioned here. So unless something materially changes, I'd say sit back, relax and enjoy the flight.
Feb 28, 2014, 3:37 pm
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To quote AJ: "But you don't know the route profitability of Qantas. And can I tell you that every route that's left generates cash for us. ... ".
So I suspect those routes aren't going anywhere for the reasonable future ...
So I suspect those routes aren't going anywhere for the reasonable future ...
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Feb 28, 2014, 4:45 pm
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The real question is whether the remaining routes will remain on QF metal or go to Jetstar. Want to book J seat to bangkok for early next year but won't until i know i am not going to be stuck on Jetstar
Mar 1, 2014, 12:32 am
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To quote AJ: "But you don't know the route profitability of Qantas. And can I tell you that every route that's left generates cash for us. ... ".
So I suspect those routes aren't going anywhere for the reasonable future ...
So I suspect those routes aren't going anywhere for the reasonable future ...
Mar 1, 2014, 1:20 am
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Mar 1, 2014, 2:26 am
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... (Qantas chief gives no guarantees on keeping jobs in Australia - 27/02/2014)
SARAH FERGUSON: ... the response of many analysts today is that this announcement of yours was not strong enough. If we look, for example, just at the international arm, part of the business which is losing huge sums of money, you haven't taken the hard decisions to cut the loss-making routes. Why should you get handouts if you're not prepared - you and your board are not prepared to take those decisions?
ALAN JOYCE: But we have. I mean, if you think of the routes that we have taken out, we've withdrawn two of our services to London, we've withdrawn from Frankfurt, we've withdrawn from Auckland, LA. I could keep on listing...
SARAH FERGUSON: Yes, but you haven't attacked the big loss routes in South America, in South Africa.
ALAN JOYCE: But you don't know the route profitability of Qantas. And can I tell you that every route that's left generates cash for us. ...
ALAN JOYCE: But we have. I mean, if you think of the routes that we have taken out, we've withdrawn two of our services to London, we've withdrawn from Frankfurt, we've withdrawn from Auckland, LA. I could keep on listing...
SARAH FERGUSON: Yes, but you haven't attacked the big loss routes in South America, in South Africa.
ALAN JOYCE: But you don't know the route profitability of Qantas. And can I tell you that every route that's left generates cash for us. ...
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Mar 1, 2014, 2:55 am
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Mar 2, 2014, 12:26 am
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Guys...
If all of Qantas's remaining routes make a profit, why is Qantas losing money as a whole? Especially considering the profit that QFF makes.
Sure, Joyce's statement encourages us to believe that each of Qantas routes individually makes a profit but it simply can't be the case. There must be significant costs that aren't being attributed to operating a route and yet are required to operate a route. The cost of owning aircraft, for example. Qantas can reduce overall expenditure by reducing the number of aircraft it owns, but that in turn means it needs to either reduce frequencies or cut routes entirely. Either way, the lesser performing routes are on the chopping block whether or not the books can be cooked to claim they are "profitable".
If all of Qantas's remaining routes make a profit, why is Qantas losing money as a whole? Especially considering the profit that QFF makes.
Sure, Joyce's statement encourages us to believe that each of Qantas routes individually makes a profit but it simply can't be the case. There must be significant costs that aren't being attributed to operating a route and yet are required to operate a route. The cost of owning aircraft, for example. Qantas can reduce overall expenditure by reducing the number of aircraft it owns, but that in turn means it needs to either reduce frequencies or cut routes entirely. Either way, the lesser performing routes are on the chopping block whether or not the books can be cooked to claim they are "profitable".
Mar 2, 2014, 9:54 am
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I thought that the most significant part of what he said was the use of the phrase "generating cash". He might just as well have said this:-
But you don't know the route profitability of Qantas. And can I I'm not going to tell you. But what I will tell you that every route that's left generates cash for us.
Mar 2, 2014, 9:58 am
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What I want to know are:
1) Did they know that their financial results would be a mess before they changed the uniforms to something far worse than before?
2) If they did know, why did they go ahead and spent more money?
3) If they didn't know, isn't it a bit worrying?
(On an aside it probably wasn't that expensive. A crew member from another airline told me that the tailor's shop in one of the Asian cities (I can't remember where although he told me) was full of QF crew bringing in their new uniforms to be altered because them fitted them very badly).
1) Did they know that their financial results would be a mess before they changed the uniforms to something far worse than before?
2) If they did know, why did they go ahead and spent more money?
3) If they didn't know, isn't it a bit worrying?
(On an aside it probably wasn't that expensive. A crew member from another airline told me that the tailor's shop in one of the Asian cities (I can't remember where although he told me) was full of QF crew bringing in their new uniforms to be altered because them fitted them very badly).
Mar 2, 2014, 10:02 am
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Shiny new uniforms will reduce labor disputes and increase revenue.
They did know. And this is also a bit worrying.