QANTAS forges Emirates tie
Jul 25, 2012, 8:00 pm
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I don't understand why on one hand the government allows many foreign airlines (sometimes government owned or subsidised) to land in Australia and on the other hand, strangles Qantas with various legislation and regulation so it has an uncompetitive cost base.
It's a shame because I believe that with the A380 at least QF have a truly great product.
Jul 25, 2012, 8:21 pm
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Agreed, it's horrible. I really hope that this doesn't happen.
I don't understand why on one hand the government allows many foreign airlines (sometimes government owned or subsidised) to land in Australia and on the other hand, strangles Qantas with various legislation and regulation so it has an uncompetitive cost base.
It's a shame because I believe that with the A380 at least QF have a truly great product.
I don't understand why on one hand the government allows many foreign airlines (sometimes government owned or subsidised) to land in Australia and on the other hand, strangles Qantas with various legislation and regulation so it has an uncompetitive cost base.
It's a shame because I believe that with the A380 at least QF have a truly great product.
Jul 25, 2012, 9:03 pm
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Jul 25, 2012, 9:48 pm
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MH:66 J - 4 lavs
CZ: 70 J - 5 lavs
EK: 76 J - 5 lavs
AF: 80 J - 4 lavs
KE: 94 J - 5 lavs
LH: 98 J - 5 lavs
None of above competitors appear to share any of their lavs with other classes looking at seat maps.
If QF indeed is 4 lavs in J on A380 we ain't doing too badly afterall, BUT if we are sharing with W Class we are worst off!
"It's a fine line(curtain) between pleasure and pain"
So we'll be 99 pax(J, Y+) to 4 lavs..from industry best to industry worst-Well done Qantas
Last edited by Cedar Jet; Jul 25, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Jul 26, 2012, 12:11 am
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From the Wall Street Journal [paywall]:
Emirates Chief Executive Tim Clark said in an interview last month that although the carrier isn't interested in seeking an equity investment in Qantas, it would be open to other types of commercial arrangements, such as codesharing.
Jul 26, 2012, 12:19 am
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And this just in courtesy The Age (and SMH)
http://www.theage.com.au/business/qa...726-22u75.html
http://www.theage.com.au/business/qa...726-22u75.html
Jul 26, 2012, 6:17 am
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- Pretty good relationship with JL (covering HKG-Japan, as well as Japan-HNL).
- A good relationship with BA codesharing on flights beyond LHR, and BA codesharing on CX flights beyond HKG.
- A very strong relationship across the pacific with AA.
- Strong relationship via LAX, JFK and AKL with LA to South America.
- Codesharing with AY to HEL, as well as AY codes being placed on CX flights to Australia and HKG-BKK.
- No codesharing with RJ, but CX/RJ combination fares are competitively priced out of Jordan and Australia.
- Strong relationship with member-elect MH.
CX and QF entered a codeshare arrangement for HKG-FCO. It is QF that operate flights that do not connect (e.g. 12 hour return flying back from Rome). Anecdotal evidence suggests that a QF WP gets treated much better on CX than a CX Diamond on QF.
So perhaps it is QF being the black sheep and not CX?
Jul 26, 2012, 6:53 am
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I can see the advantages for Qantas:
Pretty much gauranteed 5th freedom rights beyond DXB
Huge airline which connects extensively to EU, Middle east and Africa
Better 1 stop option for customers with little backtracking
Advantages for Emirates:
Can get a huge chunk of Qantas's frequent flyers
Less competition from the mighty SIN hub
Can access smaller Aussie/NZ cities with codeshares like Hobart, Wellington, Townsville
Personally I think QF might be better suited to doing this kind of agreements with QR and inviting QR to Oneworld, with BA also feeding their Heathrow traffic through Doha.
Or Heaven forbid making this agreement with Cathay Pacific!
QF can still codeshare with MH for regional South East Asia routes like Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Burma, Vietnam where a mid-east hub would require backtracking and where MH has better range of destinations and frequency.
I agree with your point completley, it seems to me that QF doesn't want to play clean, such as starting HKG-LHR and Jetstar Hong Kong.
It is glad to see Qantas in the real world, by the number of tag-on flights and the RedQ failed idea it appears that they have wanted to take passangers everywhere on their own metal, but now they have come to their senses to use partner airlines to do that for them.
Pretty much gauranteed 5th freedom rights beyond DXB
Huge airline which connects extensively to EU, Middle east and Africa
Better 1 stop option for customers with little backtracking
Advantages for Emirates:
Can get a huge chunk of Qantas's frequent flyers
Less competition from the mighty SIN hub
Can access smaller Aussie/NZ cities with codeshares like Hobart, Wellington, Townsville
Personally I think QF might be better suited to doing this kind of agreements with QR and inviting QR to Oneworld, with BA also feeding their Heathrow traffic through Doha.
Or Heaven forbid making this agreement with Cathay Pacific!
QF can still codeshare with MH for regional South East Asia routes like Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Burma, Vietnam where a mid-east hub would require backtracking and where MH has better range of destinations and frequency.
I disagree.
- Pretty good relationship with JL (covering HKG-Japan, as well as Japan-HNL).
- A good relationship with BA codesharing on flights beyond LHR, and BA codesharing on CX flights beyond HKG.
- A very strong relationship across the pacific with AA.
- Strong relationship via LAX, JFK and AKL with LA to South America.
- Codesharing with AY to HEL, as well as AY codes being placed on CX flights to Australia and HKG-BKK.
- No codesharing with RJ, but CX/RJ combination fares are competitively priced out of Jordan and Australia.
- Strong relationship with member-elect MH.
CX and QF entered a codeshare arrangement for HKG-FCO. It is QF that operate flights that do not connect (e.g. 12 hour return flying back from Rome). Anecdotal evidence suggests that a QF WP gets treated much better on CX than a CX Diamond on QF.
So perhaps it is QF being the black sheep and not CX?
- Pretty good relationship with JL (covering HKG-Japan, as well as Japan-HNL).
- A good relationship with BA codesharing on flights beyond LHR, and BA codesharing on CX flights beyond HKG.
- A very strong relationship across the pacific with AA.
- Strong relationship via LAX, JFK and AKL with LA to South America.
- Codesharing with AY to HEL, as well as AY codes being placed on CX flights to Australia and HKG-BKK.
- No codesharing with RJ, but CX/RJ combination fares are competitively priced out of Jordan and Australia.
- Strong relationship with member-elect MH.
CX and QF entered a codeshare arrangement for HKG-FCO. It is QF that operate flights that do not connect (e.g. 12 hour return flying back from Rome). Anecdotal evidence suggests that a QF WP gets treated much better on CX than a CX Diamond on QF.
So perhaps it is QF being the black sheep and not CX?
It is glad to see Qantas in the real world, by the number of tag-on flights and the RedQ failed idea it appears that they have wanted to take passangers everywhere on their own metal, but now they have come to their senses to use partner airlines to do that for them.
Last edited by PotNoodle; Jul 26, 2012 at 7:09 am
Jul 26, 2012, 7:44 am
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