PE CPH-SEA May 2024 USD $958 RT OW partners
Jul 30, 2023, 2:56 pm
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PE CPH-SEA May 2024 USD $958 RT OW partners
Jul 30, 2023, 4:23 pm
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Jul 30, 2023, 10:13 pm
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Or if you ticket it with 1 segment as an AA code you could use AA SWUs on it as well. I'd probably do something like try to build in AA SEA-LAX, then BA codes on all other segments to avoid much of a revenue vs. mileage penalty crediting to AA. Not sure the fare rules allow SEA-LAX-LHR-CPH/ARN but would be worth trying it if one has SWUs to burn.
Jul 31, 2023, 12:09 pm
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Gothenburg, Sweden (GOT) to Miami, Florida (MIA) has a slightly lower cost per mile (8.6682 CPM) for those of you that are mostly doing this for the mileage crediting to AA / AS. CPH to SEA is 8.8725 CPM.
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...7YuPKxAuyqgpv8
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...Bnm1776EsXuzYA
If you don't care about the mileage, you can fly LEVEL from BCN to LAX for $960 roundtrip in premium economy - 7.9668 CPM
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...Nq3y9FgEPLnVm9
Further South into Europe, BUD-SFO is $1073 roundtrip in premium economy - 8.5226 CPM
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...96Tf9tPBq9nmH7
Or OSL-LAS at $904 roundtrip in premium economy - 7.5598 CPM
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...ax4hYtsJk5QTJ8
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https://www.google.com/travel/flight...7YuPKxAuyqgpv8
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...Bnm1776EsXuzYA
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If you don't care about the mileage, you can fly LEVEL from BCN to LAX for $960 roundtrip in premium economy - 7.9668 CPM
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...Nq3y9FgEPLnVm9
Further South into Europe, BUD-SFO is $1073 roundtrip in premium economy - 8.5226 CPM
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...96Tf9tPBq9nmH7
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Or OSL-LAS at $904 roundtrip in premium economy - 7.5598 CPM
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...ax4hYtsJk5QTJ8
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Last edited by cruser1; Jul 31, 2023 at 12:22 pm
Jul 31, 2023, 1:48 pm
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Unfortunately I cannot seem to be able to replicate this through ITA Matrix - can someone with access to ExpertFlyer post the fare rules / possible routings / base fares please?
Apparently, it should be possible to extend this to Hawaii as well (of course at a higher price), but in order to get Premium Economy on AA it is necessary to route through either DFW or PHX, as these are the two hubs (I was able to find) from where AA flies direct with B788s / B789s to Hawaii. Without ITA Matrix though I struggle to find suitable routings ...
Thanks
Apparently, it should be possible to extend this to Hawaii as well (of course at a higher price), but in order to get Premium Economy on AA it is necessary to route through either DFW or PHX, as these are the two hubs (I was able to find) from where AA flies direct with B788s / B789s to Hawaii. Without ITA Matrix though I struggle to find suitable routings ...
Thanks
Jul 31, 2023, 2:56 pm
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Unfortunately I cannot seem to be able to replicate this through ITA Matrix - can someone with access to ExpertFlyer post the fare rules / possible routings / base fares please?
Apparently, it should be possible to extend this to Hawaii as well (of course at a higher price), but in order to get Premium Economy on AA it is necessary to route through either DFW or PHX, as these are the two hubs (I was able to find) from where AA flies direct with B788s / B789s to Hawaii. Without ITA Matrix though I struggle to find suitable routings ...
Thanks
Apparently, it should be possible to extend this to Hawaii as well (of course at a higher price), but in order to get Premium Economy on AA it is necessary to route through either DFW or PHX, as these are the two hubs (I was able to find) from where AA flies direct with B788s / B789s to Hawaii. Without ITA Matrix though I struggle to find suitable routings ...
Thanks
I was going to post that you could fly from Europe to Hawaii for about $1400, but didn't because the domestic segments (including those to Hawaii) seem to be in economy and I figured people would whine that the itinerary has fewer miles flown in premium economy than economy.
I think DFW to HNL is the only AA widebody flight to Hawaii. When flying to Europe slows down for the winter, AA might add other widebody routes, but the domestic widebody schedule for July and August confirms this - https://www.aacargo.com/downloads/sc...ticAug2023.pdf
A few examples to show all the economy flying -
LIS-LIH - https://www.google.com/travel/flight...sj72oiuKYJFJc6
LIS-HNL - https://www.google.com/travel/flight...V7drFvPiP9XvG9
WAW-OGG - https://www.google.com/travel/flight...gLP3W2BJFPo3b7
Even if you connect at DFW, it seems you connect into economy.
http://i11l-services.aa.com/xaa/mseG...IS%2C%2CHNL%2C
Jul 31, 2023, 8:28 pm
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I know you think there is nothing premium about premium economy, so I'm wading into shark infested waters replying.
To answer your specific question - SAS provides lounge access to passengers flying premium economy. Every airline that offers premium economy provides a seat that fully reclines. I'm not aware of any airline that has pre-reclined seats like a low-cost carrier has in economy. The seats in premium economy often recline even more than those in economy on the same plane.
While many airlines don't provide lounge access to premium economy passengers, the fare is often much closer to economy prices than business prices, which justifies the difference in features.
AF / KL / QR and others don't provide lounge access to business customers either. You have to pay up to a standard fare to get that. In many cases that's at least $100 in each direction of travel. The difference between premium economy and business is often more than $200 on a roundtrip ticket, so you're more than making up for the loss of lounge access (yes, you do receive less space in premium economy vs business which accounts for the majority of the price difference).
Other features to make the experience more premium compared to economy -
- larger seat
- more legroom
- larger IFE screen
- additional seat recline
- boarding before economy
- fewer passengers, so you should be able to find overhead bin space and the cabin should feel a little more private (in some cases the flight attendant to passenger ratio is higher vs economy)
- at most you only have to step over 1 person to access the aisle
- some airlines have a separate lavatory for the premium economy cabin
- some airlines will mix elements of the business class meal with elements of the economy class meal to make the meals a bit fancier
Many airlines credit 100-150% mileage for premium economy fares so the price to earning ratio is much better for premium economy vs business or economy.
For airlines that allow upgrades from premium economy and economy to business, the upgrade from premium economy to business is often cheaper than economy to business and a better use of miles (cost per mile redeemed is higher).
For airlines that allow cash bidding to upgrade or provide last minute upgrades with cash, it's often cheaper to upgrade from premium economy than economy.
This is not an exhaustive list of differences, but it does cover many of the differences. I have not flown premium economy with every airline that offers it, but I have flown on many of them. In the last decade I have flown over 250k miles in premium economy and flown every cabin on every oneworld airline so I am pretty familiar with the difference between what's offered on each of the oneworld airlines.
Not going to argue about the merits of premium and economy, so back to the original topic!
If you want to fly all the way in premium economy it looks like it's going to cost a pretty penny! Over $2k roundtrip
Oddly it says the intra-European segments are in premium economy, which I find weird! They are on a narrowbody aircraft, so no premium economy seat. I have purchased many BA premium economy fares and the intra-European segment has always been an economy fare code.
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...ZaYpxAVbchd2R8
http://i11l-services.aa.com/xaa/mseG...OT%2C%2COGG%2C
Fare Rules
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EDIT
It does look like you can save a little if the intra-European segments are booked into Economy - K fare code (which is what I'm more used to seeing), but still much more expensive than flying to the Continental US.
To answer your specific question - SAS provides lounge access to passengers flying premium economy. Every airline that offers premium economy provides a seat that fully reclines. I'm not aware of any airline that has pre-reclined seats like a low-cost carrier has in economy. The seats in premium economy often recline even more than those in economy on the same plane.
While many airlines don't provide lounge access to premium economy passengers, the fare is often much closer to economy prices than business prices, which justifies the difference in features.
AF / KL / QR and others don't provide lounge access to business customers either. You have to pay up to a standard fare to get that. In many cases that's at least $100 in each direction of travel. The difference between premium economy and business is often more than $200 on a roundtrip ticket, so you're more than making up for the loss of lounge access (yes, you do receive less space in premium economy vs business which accounts for the majority of the price difference).
Other features to make the experience more premium compared to economy -
- larger seat
- more legroom
- larger IFE screen
- additional seat recline
- boarding before economy
- fewer passengers, so you should be able to find overhead bin space and the cabin should feel a little more private (in some cases the flight attendant to passenger ratio is higher vs economy)
- at most you only have to step over 1 person to access the aisle
- some airlines have a separate lavatory for the premium economy cabin
- some airlines will mix elements of the business class meal with elements of the economy class meal to make the meals a bit fancier
Many airlines credit 100-150% mileage for premium economy fares so the price to earning ratio is much better for premium economy vs business or economy.
For airlines that allow upgrades from premium economy and economy to business, the upgrade from premium economy to business is often cheaper than economy to business and a better use of miles (cost per mile redeemed is higher).
For airlines that allow cash bidding to upgrade or provide last minute upgrades with cash, it's often cheaper to upgrade from premium economy than economy.
This is not an exhaustive list of differences, but it does cover many of the differences. I have not flown premium economy with every airline that offers it, but I have flown on many of them. In the last decade I have flown over 250k miles in premium economy and flown every cabin on every oneworld airline so I am pretty familiar with the difference between what's offered on each of the oneworld airlines.
Unfortunately I cannot seem to be able to replicate this through ITA Matrix - can someone with access to ExpertFlyer post the fare rules / possible routings / base fares please?
Apparently, it should be possible to extend this to Hawaii as well (of course at a higher price), but in order to get Premium Economy on AA it is necessary to route through either DFW or PHX, as these are the two hubs (I was able to find) from where AA flies direct with B788s / B789s to Hawaii. Without ITA Matrix though I struggle to find suitable routings ...
Thanks
Apparently, it should be possible to extend this to Hawaii as well (of course at a higher price), but in order to get Premium Economy on AA it is necessary to route through either DFW or PHX, as these are the two hubs (I was able to find) from where AA flies direct with B788s / B789s to Hawaii. Without ITA Matrix though I struggle to find suitable routings ...
Thanks
If you want to fly all the way in premium economy it looks like it's going to cost a pretty penny! Over $2k roundtrip
Oddly it says the intra-European segments are in premium economy, which I find weird! They are on a narrowbody aircraft, so no premium economy seat. I have purchased many BA premium economy fares and the intra-European segment has always been an economy fare code.
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...ZaYpxAVbchd2R8
http://i11l-services.aa.com/xaa/mseG...OT%2C%2COGG%2C
Fare Rules
Spoiler
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EDIT
It does look like you can save a little if the intra-European segments are booked into Economy - K fare code (which is what I'm more used to seeing), but still much more expensive than flying to the Continental US.
Last edited by cruser1; Jul 31, 2023 at 9:18 pm
Jul 31, 2023, 10:26 pm
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My subscription to EF expired, so can't get the routings at the moment.
I was going to post that you could fly from Europe to Hawaii for about $1400, but didn't because the domestic segments (including those to Hawaii) seem to be in economy and I figured people would whine that the itinerary has fewer miles flown in premium economy than economy.
I think DFW to HNL is the only AA widebody flight to Hawaii. When flying to Europe slows down for the winter, AA might add other widebody routes, but the domestic widebody schedule for July and August confirms this - https://www.aacargo.com/downloads/sc...ticAug2023.pdf
I was going to post that you could fly from Europe to Hawaii for about $1400, but didn't because the domestic segments (including those to Hawaii) seem to be in economy and I figured people would whine that the itinerary has fewer miles flown in premium economy than economy.
I think DFW to HNL is the only AA widebody flight to Hawaii. When flying to Europe slows down for the winter, AA might add other widebody routes, but the domestic widebody schedule for July and August confirms this - https://www.aacargo.com/downloads/sc...ticAug2023.pdf
James
Jul 31, 2023, 10:49 pm
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Entirely in PE
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European segments in economy
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Connection at HEL instead of LHR
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Aug 1, 2023, 9:06 am
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In terms of loyalty points, the K segment doesn't get the class of service multipliers so if its not as advantageous from that perspective.
Last edited by fenx; Aug 1, 2023 at 9:08 am Reason: add quote