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Nov 29, 2020, 4:21 pm

TravelingZoomer

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JL: JFK - SIN Y+ $860 (Amex IAP only)

Was tempted to buy the SQ deal so wanted to check if IAP had a discount, and wow I don't think I've ever seen JL Y+ so cheap before. Nice thing about JL is they offer access to solid Sakura lounge on Y+ fares at HND.

Covid caveats etc.

Also sorry if posting IAP fares aren't allowed here but for those who have plat power to you

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Last edited by TravelingZoomer; Nov 29, 2020 at 4:22 pm Reason: added picture

Nov 29, 2020, 4:26 pm

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Fare Rules

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Eligibility

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Fare is only applicbale for us amex premium

Eocnomy program pep

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Day/time

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Seasonality

From area 1 -

Permitted 16jan through 22may or 16jul through 10dec

For each transpacific sector. season is based on

Trip date.

To area 1 -

Permitted 01feb through 31dec for each transpacific

Sector. season is based on trip date.

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Flight application

The fare component must not be on

One or more of the following

Any jl flight operated by cx

Any jl flight operated by ek

Any jl flight operated by tg

Any jl flight operated by vn

Any jl flight operated by mu

Any jl flight operated by jq

Any jl flight operated by nz

Any jl flight operated by qf

Any jl flight operated by tn

Any jl flight operated by ke

Any jl flight operated by ci

Any jl flight operated by cz

Any jl flight operated by mh

Any jl flight operated by pg.

And

If the fare component includes travel within area 1

Then that travel must be on

One or more of the following

Any jl flight operated by aa.

And

The fare component must include travel via transpacific

Sectors on

One or more of the following

Any jl flight operated by jl.

And

If the fare component includes travel within area 3

Then that travel must be on

One or more of the following

Any jl flight

Any nu flight.

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Advance reservations/ticketing

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Least 30 days before departure.

Ticketing must be completed within 7 days after

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Departure whichever is earlier.

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Open segment not permitted.

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Minimum stay

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12 hours after arrival at the turnaround.

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Maximum stay

Travel from last stopover must commence no later than

6 months after departure from fare origin.

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Stopovers

1 stopover permitted in each direction at usd 100.00

In area 3

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For travel on/before 03jan20

3 transfers permitted in each direction in yvr/

Contiguous u.s.a./puerto rico/us virgin islands/

Mexico in each direction.

And - 2 transfers permitted in each direction

In japan in each direction.

Fare break surface sectors not permitted and

Embedded surface sectors permitted on the fare

Component.

For travel on/after 04jan20 and on/before 12jan20

3 transfers permitted in each direction.

None permitted in las in each direction

In yvr/contiguous u.s.a./puerto rico/us

Virgin islands/mexico in each direction.

And - 2 transfers permitted in each direction

In japan in each direction

Fare break surface sectors not permitted and

Embedded surface sectors permitted on the fare

Component.

For travel on/after 13jan20

3 transfers permitted in each direction in yvr/

Contiguous u.s.a./puerto rico/us virgin islands/

Mexico in each direction

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In japan in each direction

Fare break surface sectors not permitted and

Embedded surface sectors permitted on the fare

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Combinations

End-on-end not permitted. side trips not permitted.

Open jaws

Fares may be combined on a half round trip basis

-to form single or double open jaws.

Open jaws note -

-if combining fares on half round trip basis

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Stay/maximum stay/cancellations rule.

-when more than one fare component are changed

The highest penalty of all changed fare

Components within the journey applies.

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When the open segment occurs

-between contiguous u.s.a. and canada or between

Hawaii and canada

-within contiguous u.s.a./within hawaii/within

Canada or within area 3 combinations are with any

Fare for carrier jl in this rule and tariff.

Round trips/circle trips

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/round trips

-to form circle trips except for around-the-world

Fares

A maximum of two international fare components

Permitted.

Round trips/circle trips note -

-if combining fares on half round trip basis

The per fare component conditions will apply

Except reservation and ticketing rule/minimum

Stay/maximum stay/cancellations rule.

-when more than one fare component are changed

The highest penalty of all changed fare

Components within the journey applies.

Provided -

Combinations are with any fare for carrier jl in

This rule and tariff.

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From area 1 -

Travel is not permitted 25may through 21jun between

United states and china.

To area 1 -

Travel is not permitted 01aug through 31aug between

China and united states.

If the fare component includes travel via each

Transpacific sector on

One or more of the following

Any jl flight operated by aa.

From area 1 -

Travel is not permitted 25may through 21jun

Between united states and china.

To area 1 -

Travel is not permitted 01aug through 31aug

Between china and united states.

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Travel restrictions

Valid for travel commencing on/after 31oct19.

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Sales restrictions

Tickets must be issued on/before 31dec21.

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Cancellations

Before departure

Charge usd 300.00 for cancel/refund.

Child/infant discounts apply.

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Waived for illness/injury of passenger or

Accompanying passenger.

Waived for death of passenger/accompanying

Passenger or immediate family member not

Traveling together.

Waiver for illness/injury or death must be

Substantiated by a valid medical or death

Certificate.

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Where this fare is combined with another fare

On half round trip basis the highest penalty

Within the pricing unit applies.

Before departure

Charge usd 600.00 for no-show/refund.

Child/infant discounts apply.

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Waived for illness/injury of passenger or

Accompanying passenger.

Waived for death of passenger/accompanying

Passenger or immediate family member not

Traveling together.

Waiver for illness/injury or death must be

Substantiated by a valid medical or death

Certificate.

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Where this fare is combined with another fare

On half round trip basis the highest penalty

Within the pricing unit applies.

After departure

Charge usd 300.00 for cancel/refund.

Child/infant discounts apply.

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Waived for illness/injury of passenger or

Accompanying passenger.

Waived for death of passenger/accompanying

Passenger or immediate family member not

Traveling together.

Waiver for illness/injury or death must be

Substantiated by a valid medical or death

Certificate.

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Where this fare is combined with another fare

On half round trip basis the highest penalty

Within the pricing unit applies.

After departure

Charge usd 600.00 for no-show/refund.

Child/infant discounts apply.

Note - text below not validated for autopricing.

Waived for illness/injury of passenger or

Accompanying passenger.

Waived for death of passenger/accompanying

Passenger or immediate family member not

Traveling together.

Waiver for illness/injury or death must be

Substantiated by a valid medical or death

Certificate.

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Where this fare is combined with another fare

On half round trip basis the highest penalty

Within the pricing unit applies.

Changes

Before departure

Changes permitted for reissue/revalidation.

Child/infant discounts apply.

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Waiver for illness/injury or death is not

Applicable.

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Change can be made to applicable

-higher jl/aa/ay/ba/ib/mh normal fares

-jl/aa/ay/ba/ib/mh special fares with same or

Higher rbd.

Rbd hierarchy of jl fare

For travel commencing on/before 04nov21

High low

F/a/j/c/d/x/i/w/r/e/y/b/h/k/m/l/v/s/n/q/o

For travel commencing on/after 05nov21

High low

F/a/j/c/d/i/x/w/r/e/y/b/h/k/m/l/v/s/n/q/o

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Fare difference must be paid/refunded.

Reservation and ticket adjustments must be done

At the same time.

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Voluntary rebooking/rerouting is permitted

Provided such transaction must be made prior

To the reserved flight being changed.

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Waitlist condition of new fare applies.

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Where this fare is combined with another fare

The penalty conditions /except penalty fee/ of

Each fare component applies.

When only one fare component is changed the

Penalty fee of the changed fare component applies.

When more than one fare component is being changed

The highest penalty fee of all changed fare

Components within the journey applies.

After departure

Changes permitted for reissue/revalidation.

Child/infant discounts apply.

Note - text below not validated for autopricing.

Penalty and adc are waived for illness/injury of

Passenger or accompanying passenger.

Penalty and adc are waived for death of

Passenger/accompanying passenger or immediate

Family member not traveling together.

Waiver for illness/injury or death must be

Substantiated by a valid medical or death

Certificate.

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Change can be made to applicable

-higher jl/aa/ay/ba/ib/mh normal fares

-jl/aa/ay/ba/ib/mh special fares with same or

Higher rbd.

Rbd hierarchy of jl fare

For travel commencing on/before 04nov21

High low

F/a/j/c/d/x/i/w/r/e/y/b/h/k/m/l/v/s/n/q/o

For travel commencing on/after 05nov21

High low

F/a/j/c/d/i/x/w/r/e/y/b/h/k/m/l/v/s/n/q/o

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Fare difference must be paid/refunded.

Reservation and ticket adjustments must be done

At the same time.

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Voluntary rebooking/rerouting is permitted

Provided such transaction must be made prior

To the reserved flight being changed.

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Waitlist condition of new fare applies.

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Where this fare is combined with another fare

The penalty conditions /except penalty fee/ of

Each fare component applies.

When only one fare component is changed the

Penalty fee of the changed fare component applies.

When more than one fare component is being changed

The highest penalty fee of all changed fare

Components within the journey applies.

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Hip/mileage exceptions

Japan is excluded from the higher intermediate point

Rule for stopovers.

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Ticket endorsements

The original and the reissued ticket must be annotated

- jl only / ax pep/zaypus - in the endorsement box.

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Children discounts

No discounts for children/infants.

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Tour conductor discounts

No discounts for tour conductors.

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Agent discounts

No discounts for sale agents.

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All other discounts

No discounts for others.

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Miscellaneous provisions

This fare must not be used as through fare with a

Differential and/or to calculate differential.

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Groups

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Tours

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Visit another country

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Enter rd*31 or rdline num*31 for voluntary chgs.

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Voluntary refunds

Check category 16 or contact carrier for details.

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Agency retailer information

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International construction

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Nov 29, 2020, 5:27 pm

gallen5555

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does platinum site inflate prices?

surprisingly, when I use the american express travel site as a guest with no status it reveals the same flites ticketed on american airlines for $1.013 but japan airlines is the operator. So being new as a platinum to me sounds a little disingenuous for prices posted on the platinum site.

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Originally Posted by TravelingZoomer

Nov 29, 2020, 5:29 pm

TravelingZoomer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gallen5555

Comparing codeshares is really apples to oranges here

Nov 29, 2020, 5:51 pm

gallen5555

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TravelingZoomer

Comparing codeshares is really apples to oranges here

what due you gain for qualifying miles and miles earned for american vs. JAL ?

Nov 29, 2020, 6:20 pm

TravelingZoomer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gallen5555

what due you gain for qualifying miles and miles earned for american vs. JAL ?

If crediting to AA, almost always JL will be better in terms of mileage and EQD

If crediting to AS, before they join OW only marketed and operated by same carrier earns miles

also, I’m fairly certain you don’t get Sakura lounge access on AA code

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Nov 29, 2020, 6:48 pm

gallen5555

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thanks for the update. The Sakura Lounge would be a definite plus.

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Nov 30, 2020, 4:21 pm

planes&trains

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Is this dead or am I doing something wrong? Pricing $1,xxx on AA codeshare but $2,7xx on JL.

Nov 30, 2020, 4:32 pm

TravelingZoomer

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seasonality

From area 1 -

Permitted 16jan through 22may or 16jul through 10dec

Check fare rules above. What’re the dates you’re looking at because I still see the fare

Nov 30, 2020, 5:35 pm

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planes&trains

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TravelingZoomer

Check fare rules above. What’re the dates you’re looking at because I still see the fare

Thank you. Will try again. I have checked 4/6 and when that didn't work out, the same departure in the OP.

Nov 30, 2020, 5:40 pm

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planes&trains

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TravelingZoomer

Check fare rules above. What’re the dates you’re looking at because I still see the fare

I tried again. It would not show. But, encouraged by your confirmation that you are seeing the fare, I did an advanced search and forced JL as the airline and the fare appears. Thanks a bunch.

Dec 1, 2020, 9:12 am

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infmedic

Join Date: Jan 2013

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Any chance these fares are upgradable? I didn't see anything in the rules...

Dec 2, 2020, 12:39 am

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planes&trains

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Given the fare class, would folks here recommend I credit to BA or AA? I am currently Silver on BA and that is the only airline where I have status on OW. Status ends just before the trip and the travel will be at the start of my next points collection year on BA.