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ZBigFam Jan 29, 2020 2:33 am

Thanks everyone for this. Completing my mileage run today, for me JALs longhaul business class far outstrips United Polaris in terms of hard product and service. Chair is far more comfortable for me than Polaris and the food for me is light years better. As a former United 1k am so happy i moved to AA.

I asked this in the AA forum but no one has answered it yet, for those of you that credited to American, how long did it take to get your mileage etc credited to your account?

betonic Jan 29, 2020 3:08 am

We did this trip in December and I remember the miles posting about 72 hours later on AA. We did stay on KL for a few days say it may actually be that JL sends miles to AA on specific days of the week. Anyway, within a few days the miles will be there.

Whodunit68 Jan 29, 2020 4:36 am


Originally Posted by ZBigFam (Post 32007038)
I asked this in the AA forum but no one has answered it yet, for those of you that credited to American, how long did it take to get your mileage etc credited to your account?

Glad to hear that you enjoyed the trip. Line posted in about 3 days.

Fluffy_FLing Jan 29, 2020 9:28 pm


Originally Posted by ZBigFam (Post 32007038)
Thanks everyone for this. Completing my mileage run today, for me JALs longhaul business class far outstrips United Polaris in terms of hard product and service. Chair is far more comfortable for me than Polaris and the food for me is light years better. As a former United 1k am so happy i moved to AA.

I asked this in the AA forum but no one has answered it yet, for those of you that credited to American, how long did it take to get your mileage etc credited to your account?

Flew Jan 14, posted Jan18... base from past experience about 3-4days

s0ssos Jan 30, 2020 12:33 am

new fare rules?
 
Anybody have the new fare rules? The ones in the wiki are outdated

VegasGambler Jan 30, 2020 1:17 am


Originally Posted by s0ssos (Post 32011027)
Anybody have the new fare rules? The ones in the wiki are outdated

I think the only thing wrong is the seasonality. Here's the current one:

PERMITTED 27DEC19 THROUGH 01JAN20 OR 08JAN20 THROUGH
29JAN20 OR 24FEB20 THROUGH 08MAR20 OR 23MAR20 THROUGH
05APR20 OR 13APR20 THROUGH 30APR20 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSPACIFIC SECTOR. SEASON IS BASED ON DATE OF
ORIGIN.


Also, for anyone trying to do "creative" routings, the only restriction is 9328 MPM. This gives you about 1250 additional miles over the "obvious" JFK-HND/NRT-TPE/TSA routing. The flight application section of the rules is:

THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY 9K
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY EY
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY CX
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY RJ
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY MU
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY LP
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY MA
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY QF
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY 2A
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY LA
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY 9W
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY HA
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BR
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AB
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY MX.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN YVR
AND EWR/LGA.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN YVR
AND SAN/LAS.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN YVR
AND DEN.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN YVR AND
CONTIGUOUS U.S.A./MEXICO
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT
ANY AC FLIGHT
ANY AS FLIGHT OPERATED BY AS
ANY AS FLIGHT OPERATED BY QX
ANY JL FLIGHT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN MEXICO
AND CONTIGUOUS U.S.A./MEXICO
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT
ANY AM FLIGHT
ANY AS FLIGHT OPERATED BY AS
ANY AS FLIGHT OPERATED BY QX
ANY JL FLIGHT
ANY B6 FLIGHT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN CONTIGUOUS
U.S.A./ALASKA
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT
ANY AS FLIGHT OPERATED BY AS
ANY AS FLIGHT OPERATED BY QX
ANY JL FLIGHT
ANY B6 FLIGHT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN YVR AND
PUERTO RICO/US VIRGIN ISLANDS
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY JL FLIGHT
ANY AA FLIGHT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN
CONTIGUOUS U.S.A./MEXICO AND PUERTO RICO/US VIRGIN
ISLANDS
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY JL FLIGHT
ANY AA FLIGHT
ANY B6 FLIGHT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN PUERTO
RICO/US VIRGIN ISLANDS
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY JL FLIGHT
ANY AA FLIGHT
ANY B6 FLIGHT.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA TRANSPACIFIC
SECTORS ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY JL FLIGHT OPERATED BY JL
ANY JL FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN JAPAN
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY JL FLIGHT
ANY NU FLIGHT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN JAPAN AND
SOUTHEAST ASIA
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY JL FLIGHT OPERATED BY JL.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN JAPAN AND
KOREA REP OF SOUTH
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY JL FLIGHT OPERATED BY JL.

ZBigFam Jan 30, 2020 7:06 am

My data point, flew 1/26, first segment JFK to NRT posted today 1/30. Tickets as business X for partner earning so my challenge should be complete after this!

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s0ssos Jan 31, 2020 10:40 am


Originally Posted by VegasGambler (Post 32011137)
I think the only thing wrong is the seasonality. Here's the current one:

PERMITTED 27DEC19 THROUGH 01JAN20 OR 08JAN20 THROUGH
29JAN20 OR 24FEB20 THROUGH 08MAR20 OR 23MAR20 THROUGH
05APR20 OR 13APR20 THROUGH 30APR20 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSPACIFIC SECTOR. SEASON IS BASED ON DATE OF
ORIGIN.

Thanks. I was mostly wondering the purchase by date. The other JL fare to KUL is by Jan 31, if it hasn't changed.

VegasGambler Jan 31, 2020 12:48 pm


Originally Posted by s0ssos (Post 32016835)
Thanks. I was mostly wondering the purchase by date. The other JL fare to KUL is by Jan 31, if it hasn't changed.

Yup, Jan 31


TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 31JAN20.

TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF JL OR AA.


I wonder if they will re-file the fare after tomorrow.

They also have a fare that's $200 more that's set to take effect on 2/10. That is actually more in line with the price in the title of this thread (the current one is $2076 all-in)


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...d612679171.jpg

s0ssos Jan 31, 2020 2:46 pm


Originally Posted by VegasGambler (Post 32017335)
Yup, Jan 31

Thanks. I guess I'll wait to see if a new fare comes out tomorrow.

King1028 Jan 31, 2020 2:53 pm

Does anyone have a view on the Coronavirus for a trip to TPE in 3 weeks? The CDC is now saying no non essential travel to China. The map on the CDC website seems to indicate that Taiwan is included in that restricted area but they do not explicitly mention any regions outside of China.

VegasGambler Jan 31, 2020 3:43 pm


Originally Posted by King1028 (Post 32017793)
Does anyone have a view on the Coronavirus for a trip to TPE in 3 weeks? The CDC is now saying no non essential travel to China. The map on the CDC website seems to indicate that Taiwan is included in that restricted area but they do not explicitly mention any regions outside of China.

This is really dependent on your tolerance for risk. My opinion is that the coronavirus panic is overblown, but in the end it's your life and you should probably form your own informed decisions.

Until there are 100s of thousands of deaths (and we are orders of magnitude away from that), this is less dangerous than the "regular" flu. The concern is more that it might explode into something bigger. Everything starts small; it's difficult to predict where it will go. Everyone was panicked about SARS and it died out before killing even a tiny fraction of the number of people as the regular flu (SARS killed 774 people if you believe official numbers; according to wikipedia the regular flu kills 290k-650k every year).

bocastephen Jan 31, 2020 3:50 pm


Originally Posted by King1028 (Post 32017793)
Does anyone have a view on the Coronavirus for a trip to TPE in 3 weeks? The CDC is now saying no non essential travel to China. The map on the CDC website seems to indicate that Taiwan is included in that restricted area but they do not explicitly mention any regions outside of China.

Taiwan is not China, they are separate countries and the Taiwanese health care infrastructure is vastly superior to China. Some will dispute this fact from a political standpoint but it’s important for travelers to understand the distinction to avoid confusion. You are absolutely not traveling to China.

Taiwan only has a handful of current cases in a country of over 30MM people and no public health risk.

I’m on my way to Taipei next week with absolutely no concern.

hp12c Jan 31, 2020 4:00 pm

I would agree with this.

Additionally, Taiwan has already largely shut down travel from the mainland to Taiwan and seems to be doing a good job of quarantining the most high risk people.

asdf098 Feb 2, 2020 6:19 am

JL codeshare on Alaska, crediting to AA
 

Originally Posted by JJeffrey (Post 31923673)
...but, I wouldn't expect to earn EQDs for the AS flight (AS isn't oneworld or an affiliate) so you're most likely looking at ~$3500 EQD.


Originally Posted by asdf098 (Post 31923834)
Per this thread I think the AS SEA-EWR leg with a JL flight number should earn according to published JL accrual rates.

I think the key language is the following from AA's JL partner page: "earn AAdvantage® miles when you fly on Japan Airlines marketed and operated flights as well as Japan Airlines codeshare flights operated by other carriers including oneworld® carriers and affiliates". For other partner airlines, the "other carriers including" language is not present. This leads me to believe that JL is an exception to the rule that the operating carrier must be oneworld. So I'm expecting (hoping) to earn 25% of distance on this AS flight = $600 EQD. The flight is in just over two weeks so I'll find out soon enough...


Originally Posted by ZBigFam (Post 31925191)
Would be interested to know how this credits as well. Please post an update when you get the points.

1 week after doing this trip I can confirm that a JL codeshare operated by Alaska credits to AA as per the JL earning rates. The last leg of my trip, SEA-EWR on AS took longer than all the rest to post but it did everyday credit as I expected. So if anyone sees this routing available I wouldn't hesitate to book it (assuming you're willing to deal with a 5 hour domestic F flight instead of the nonstop JL J to JFK).

Total earnings (as EXP):
  • 4157 EQD
  • 33244 EQM
  • 40728 RDM


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https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...235f737677.png

VFR Feb 2, 2020 8:51 pm

It currently does not look like the fare was re-filed after it expired. However, it seems that this fare comes up every so often.

I'm currently sitting in the CX lounge in TPE waiting to go home. These were some quite comfortable flights, even on the reverse herringbone 787-9 and the recliners on the 737. I would fly this again for this price in a heartbeat, especially if I could build in a stopover in Japan.

NWplatinum Feb 3, 2020 1:48 am

Is this ticket dead?

Whodunit68 Feb 3, 2020 5:13 am


Originally Posted by NWplatinum (Post 32026293)
Is this ticket dead?

several posts above indicate an expiration date of 31-January.

ZBigFam Feb 3, 2020 6:52 am


Originally Posted by VFR (Post 32025653)
It currently does not look like the fare was re-filed after it expired. However, it seems that this fare comes up every so often.

I'm currently sitting in the CX lounge in TPE waiting to go home. These were some quite comfortable flights, even on the reverse herringbone 787-9 and the recliners on the 737. I would fly this again for this price in a heartbeat, especially if I could build in a stopover in Japan.

Good choice on the cx lounge, much nicer than the jal lounge

VegasGambler Feb 3, 2020 12:47 pm


Originally Posted by NWplatinum (Post 32026293)
Is this ticket dead?


Originally Posted by Whodunit68 (Post 32026606)
several posts above indicate an expiration date of 31-January.

Yes, but also there is a new fare (which seems to match the original, $2300 fare) that is filed and set to take effect 2/10. Of course there are no guarantees; they might pull it.

VFR Feb 3, 2020 5:32 pm


Originally Posted by ZBigFam (Post 32026798)
Good choice on the cx lounge, much nicer than the jal lounge

I moved to the JAL lounge once I had my fill. The food in the CX lounge was a bit better (noodle bar!) but the JAL lounge had some nice aesthetics and some good steam buns too.

hp12c Feb 10, 2020 7:53 am


Originally Posted by VegasGambler (Post 32017335)
Yup, Jan 31


TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 31JAN20.

TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF JL OR AA.


I wonder if they will re-file the fare after tomorrow.

They also have a fare that's $200 more that's set to take effect on 2/10. That is actually more in line with the price in the title of this thread (the current one is $2076 all-in)


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...d612679171.jpg

anyone see the fare that was supposed to be effective today? I’m not seeing anything pricing anywhere near that level.

ZBigFam Feb 10, 2020 7:58 am

Am looking for this as well, would be nice to have one more mileage run like this to pad the stats

hp12c Feb 10, 2020 7:59 am

I also need more pineapple cakes!

VegasGambler Feb 10, 2020 12:20 pm

Nope, it looks like they pulled the fare before it became valid.

Kurt Feb 11, 2020 2:10 pm

Here's my quick report: I did JFK-NRT-KUL-NRT (bus) HND-JFK. Cost was $2,217.

I flew in from Denver on Delta the night before and stayed at the TWA hotel. I quite liked it and found the service to be friendly, unlike reports I've read. Nice to hop on the AirTrain and travel over to Terminal 1. I left on a Friday, returned on a Tuesday/Wednesday.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...035ce96f4b.jpg

Easy experience at Terminal 1; the LH Business Lounge was OK, nothing great but enough food/drink for a short stay. JL3 JFK-NRT was long but relaxing.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...8891235088.jpg

I ate the Japanese meal, then ordered food from the handset for snacks. Great noodles and the pork cutlet sandwich was very tasty. The cabin was too warm (on all the flights, actually) but I changed to shorts and a t-shirt so it was bearable. Slept and watched a Japanese movie called "Way To Find The Best Life" (sort of "Bucket List" but just two very different ladies) that was great, then "Maleficent 2." Japanese meal again before arrival. We arrived early.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3956461db2.jpg

JL put me up in the Marroad International Hotel near Narita. Yes, it's old and dated, but the shuttle ran on time and then took me into Narita Town. I wandered over to Ramen Biyashi and had dinner/beer and talked to some nice FedEx pilots. Bussed back to the hotel. The staff was very nice.

In the morning I took JL723 down to Kuala Lumpur. Sakura lounge was pretty nice with great views. I love the JAL curry! I managed to get the last window seat on the 787-9.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3bb1180b6d.jpg

A nice flight. Ate the Japanese lunch again. I did wifi for the whole flight; I think it was about $18 for seven hours. Not bad. Another nice crew.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...59d179f01e.jpg

Landed on time; immigration/customs was slow, but the KLIA Ekspres worked great. Took a taxi to the Holiday Inn Express. It was only $42 a night that included a decent breakfast. I also did some laundry. Explored KL a bit that night and again the next day. Saw the Petronas Towers and a few other things. Nice warm weather; it poured rain later in the afternoon.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...ccd9835a24.jpg

My flight back to NRT wasn't until 10:50 so I just booked two nights and the HEX to save asking for a late checkout. I left about 6 p.m. and took the monorail/KLIA Exspres. Easy check-in; I chose the Malaysian Golden Lounge and hung out until the flight. Uneventful journey up to NRT on JL724. Same crew as NRT-KUL; they were sweet and all remembered me. I had the departure snack, slept for about 5 hours and then had the Western breakfast, a decent omelet.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...9fcec6baed.jpg

We arrived about 10 minutes early. I wanted to arrive at JFK in the morning so I braved the NRT-HND transfer. I booked the 7:15 a.m. Airport Limousine bus (purchased the ticket online myself; it was about $28 IIRC). Traffic was a bit heavy but the trip took 1:55 and I had plenty of time. I sat in the first row and enjoyed my mini-tour of Tokyo in rush hour. It was foggy but cleared to nice, sunny day.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3112586a6a.jpg

Haneda was nice but I still sort of prefer Narita (strictly for transferring of course). The lounge was really crowded (renovations are going on so things are messy). JL6 was a nice flight again. I had the Western lunch and liked the Wagyu steak, but the appetizers were not as good to me as the Japanese style ones. Watched "Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood" and "Judy," ate and drank more (plus more noodles and the Japanese breakfast) and slept quite a bit.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...10628f09e9.jpg

We arrived on time at JFK. I was able to have my Global Entry renewal interview (my reason for wanting an early arrival); received my new card exactly a week later. Took the AirTrain to Howard Beach and caught the A-train to midtown. Cold but sunny in New York. We spent the weekend there.

I received 25,243 Alaska EQMs and 70,680 RDMs. I'd do it again in a heartbeat if the fare was still available! I loved the nice JL service and felt spoiled. It was a fun little adventure.

ZBigFam Feb 11, 2020 7:23 pm


Originally Posted by hp12c (Post 32054706)
I also need more pineapple cakes!

I bought a bunch for my family but they didn't care for them

s0ssos Feb 11, 2020 7:48 pm


Originally Posted by ZBigFam (Post 32061351)
I bought a bunch for my family but they didn't care for them

If you can go to a real market (probably in the southern part) you have to get the real dried mangoes. They are amazing! Never heard anybody who didn't care for those.
They just slice up mangos and dry them, nothing added. They taste like mangoes and smell like them too!

ronin98syu Feb 11, 2020 11:47 pm


Originally Posted by ZBigFam (Post 32061351)
I bought a bunch for my family but they didn't care for them

Do you know what brand of the pineapple shortcakes that you bought?

ChiaTe pineapple shortcakes are considered one of the best brands, if not the best. All my colleagues live them, even for those who never had Taiwanese snacks before. However, you can’t get ChiaTe cakes at TPE. You will have to visit their stores.

Cheers,

ZBigFam Feb 12, 2020 7:47 am

I bought them from the duty-free at the airport which I think was my mistake. I really wasn't in town long enough to go to their actual store.


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