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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 9:33 pm
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Originally Posted by whirledtraveler
Which law is that?
This is the law he broke.

Title 49 § 1540.111 Carriage of weapons, explosives, and incendiaries by individuals.
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(a) On an individual's person or accessible property—prohibitions. Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, an individual may not have a weapon, explosive, or incendiary, on or about the individual's person or accessible property

(1) When performance has begun of the inspection of the individual's person or accessible property before entering a sterile area, or before boarding an aircraft for which screening is conducted under this subchapter;

(2) When the individual is entering or in a sterile area; or

(3) When the individual is attempting to board or onboard an aircraft for which screening is conducted under §§1544.201, 1546.201, or 1562.23 of this chapter.

(b) On an individual's person or accessible property—permitted carriage of a weapon. Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply as to carriage of firearms and other weapons if the individual is one of the following:

(1) Law enforcement personnel required to carry a firearm or other weapons while in the performance of law enforcement duty at the airport.

(2) An individual authorized to carry a weapon in accordance with §§1544.219, 1544.221, 1544.223, 1546.211, or subpart B of part 1562 of this chapter.

(3) An individual authorized to carry a weapon in a sterile area under a security program.
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 9:44 pm
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Originally Posted by whirledtraveler
Which law is that?
Providing false information to TSA is, as I recall, illegal.
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 9:46 pm
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
This is the law he broke.
(3) An individual authorized to carry a weapon in a sterile area under a security program.

I think this might exempt him from that.

Generally speaking, I believe he could have had lawful access with a firearm, had he followed protocol. The violation wasn't stated to be the act, it was the false statement.
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 9:46 pm
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Originally Posted by mre5765
For over 20 years, Jon McClain has been a die hard at protecting Americans from terrorists, including one famous incident at IAD 20 years from the upcoming Christmas Eve (the control tower was seized by evil doers).

It just isn't right to have a great American hero treated this way.

Just not right.
^ Maybe a way to fire him and save the department pension money. Btw, that one is John not Jon .

Seriously, this is just one of the stupidest thing I've ever heard a cop would do just to pick up his family at the airiport.
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 10:03 pm
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Originally Posted by We Will Never Forget
(3) An individual authorized to carry a weapon in a sterile area under a security program.

I think this might exempt him from that.

Generally speaking, I believe he could have had lawful access with a firearm, had he followed protocol. The violation wasn't stated to be the act, it was the false statement.
Ok how about

Title 49 § 1540.105 Security responsibilities of employees and other persons.

(a) No person may:

(1) Tamper or interfere with, compromise, modify, attempt to circumvent, or cause a person to tamper or interfere with, compromise, modify, or attempt to circumvent any security system, measure, or procedure implemented under this subchapter.

(2) Enter, or be present within, a secured area, AOA, SIDA or sterile area without complying with the systems, measures, or procedures being applied to control access to, or presence or movement in, such areas.

(3) Use, allow to be used, or cause to be used, any airport-issued or airport-approved access medium or identification medium that authorizes the access, presence, or movement of persons or vehicles in secured areas, AOA's, or SIDA's in any other manner than that for which it was issued by the appropriate authority under this subchapter.
Most likely it was this one they cited as the story said
McClain is accused of circumventing federal security procedures at the Northwest Arkansas Regional Airport then not being truthful about his actions, among other things, according to the report.
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 10:05 pm
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Maybe we can get the police Chief as the new TSA Kip. At least that guy does not put up with someone abusing their power and authority.
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 10:12 pm
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Now that TSA agents have shiny metal badges that say "U.S. Officer," it's a violation of 18 USC § 1001, a felony, to lie to them, which means you must never speak to them.
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 10:14 pm
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You're on the right track, TK.

As for the specifics of the procedure itself, I'm not terribly sure I'd be at liberty to discuss that, so I'm not gonna'. Sorry~
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 10:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
Ok how about



Most likely it was this one they cited as the story said
Yep, that looks more like what happened.
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 10:17 pm
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Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean
You're on the right track, TK.

As for the specifics of the procedure itself, I'm not terribly sure I'd be at liberty to discuss that, so I'm not gonna'. Sorry~
What, that he has to have permission from the airlines to go through the checkpoint?

No secret there.
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 10:25 pm
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Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean
You're on the right track, TK.

As for the specifics of the procedure itself, I'm not terribly sure I'd be at liberty to discuss that, so I'm not gonna'. Sorry~
The specifics of the procedure should be fairly simple, if you are not on duty you can't enter the sterile area with your weapon.

Personally if he would have gotten a pass from the airline and told the TSO he was getting his daughter, I would have not made any fuss about him entering with his weapon.

I am just glad he got canned instead of "retraining" on prisoner pick ups.

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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 10:26 pm
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Originally Posted by We Will Never Forget
What, that he has to have permission from the airlines to go through the checkpoint?

No secret there.
Even if it is common knowledge it still may be considered SSI by the idiots in charge.
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 10:43 pm
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Originally Posted by We Will Never Forget
(3) An individual authorized to carry a weapon in a sterile area under a security program.

I think this might exempt him from that.

Generally speaking, I believe he could have had lawful access with a firearm, had he followed protocol. The violation wasn't stated to be the act, it was the false statement.
Yes, I think that's right - I would assume that the "security program" (for instance, the one allowing armed pickup of prisoners that I assume exists) would only authorise him to carry the gun if he were actually there as part of the program.
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 10:47 pm
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
Even if it is common knowledge it still may be considered SSI by the idiots in charge.
Well I guess I'll be the one to let the cat out of the bag.

EVERYONE is required to have an airport/airline ID, boarding pass or gate pass to be admitted to the checkpoint. There are some airports where a club membership will grant access, however that technically is the same as a gate pass. The TSA does not control who has permission to enter the sterile area.
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 10:53 pm
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Originally Posted by coachrowsey
Integrity is the big issue here. If in fact he did lie, I feel he should receive time off but not loose his job.
Maybe even not lose his job....

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