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Originally Posted by Dan_E
(Post 12084217)
Damn civilians
Originally Posted by Dan_E
(Post 12084217)
no respect for authority.
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Originally Posted by thegeneral
(Post 12084746)
Were you being a jerk for asking why in the first place? He's allowed to see your boarding pass so he can easily find out where you're going. Why bother picking a fight. Do you have that little to do in the run of your week?
And he didnt ask for my boarding pass the first time. He came over to me and said "What flight are you on?" I said "That one (pointed at the gate) going to NY, why?" (maybe theres a problem with the aircraft, they cancelled the flight, gate change, who knows) He starts to walk away, so I ask "Why?" again. He just looks and me and then walks away. Then a few minutes later he comes over and asks for my boarding pass and id, which I then gave him. |
Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 12085930)
The Fourth Amendment isn't suspended in the sterile area.
It has been proposed more than once that the entire terminal, secure and "public", should be placed under the searchable domain. That it hasn't been done might be because the TSA realises it would be on shaky legal ground. And it must be really shaky, since stretching the envelope in such matters has never stopped them in the past. |
Originally Posted by Wally Bird
(Post 12088785)
No it isn't, but the "reasonable" test still applies and courts have ruled that a search limited in scope to items posing a threat to aviation is reasonable. I don't recall any legal opinion which states that such searches must be conducted at only the first chechkpoint - the one demarcating the secure area. Maybe I missed it, but if there hasn't been such a ruling it's overdue.
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Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 12089189)
I told you -- this was my opinion and, further, I explained the reasons why. I also explained why no one ever has to answer a TSO's questions. Believe what you want.
When it comes to the TSA I don't know what to believe; I'm looking for some sustainable legal guidance. I don't think there is any but I'd be delighted to receive evidence to the contrary. The only opinions that count are those which come from the bench. Rover: "Where are you flying to ?" Me: points to gate flight display Rover: "Can I see your boarding pass ?" Me: "No, but you can watch me hand it to the airline agent over there." Good enough ? |
Originally Posted by Wally Bird
(Post 12089279)
And I posted a different opinion. Is this Bash Wally Day or something ?
When it comes to the TSA I don't know what to believe; I'm looking for some sustainable legal guidance. I don't think there is any but I'd be delighted to receive evidence to the contrary. The only opinions that count are those which come from the bench. Rover: "Where are you flying to ?" Me: points to gate flight display Rover: "Can I see your boarding pass ?" Me: "No, but you can watch me hand it to the airline agent over there." Good enough ? |
Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 12089356)
No. However, I don't consider your view of what the courts have found vis-a-vis searches correct or complete. I have my opinion and you have yours.
Look to the Constitution for guidance. The only opinions that are binding on TSA are court opinions. Sure, I still prefer to not speak to TSOs at all in such circumstance. My disdain for the TSA is a strong as anyone's. Well, maybe not anyone :D and although I fly less every year I do indeed minimise my err... interactions with screeners. I've never been SPOTted or gate-accosted but I accept that if I take a position of non-cooperation there may be consequences. Some people may have the time and (potentially) money to put it to the test; most simply want to waste as little of their time as possible in airports. If you're prepared to miss your flight by resisting the TSA's (probably illegal) persecution, more power to you. They count on the fact that most passengers are not and that's what emboldens the bullies and power-trippers on the floor and the HQ mandarins who dream up these schemes. What's to be done ? I wish I knew. |
Are there any testimonials from someone refusing to submit to a gate check?
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A few thoughts:
1- What flight are you on ? "Oh, let me explain something to you, this is the boarding area. I'm not on a flight - flights take place on airplanes, like the one over there" 2 - Maybe he TSO was hoping he would say "I'm not on a flight, I bought a fully refundable ticket to get through the gate area and through it out". And then they would have their big catch ;) |
Originally Posted by bonoman
(Post 12090374)
Are there any testimonials from someone refusing to submit to a gate check?
He went onto an easier mark. |
Originally Posted by bonoman
(Post 12090374)
Are there any testimonials from someone refusing to submit to a gate check?
Seems TSA (and McNeil at ROC) has no credibility with anyone any more, as they cast uselessly around, fumbling for something to give them a semblance of relevance. |
Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 12084619)
You won't mind if I come by and toss your house, eh? Or your car as you commute to work?
It must be okay - after all, he's got nothing to hide! :D |
Originally Posted by bonoman
(Post 12090374)
Are there any testimonials from someone refusing to submit to a gate check?
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Originally Posted by N231LA
(Post 12093268)
"Sure, you can check me...but be very careful, my colostomy bag is very full and about to overflow....and boy, does it stink today..."
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Originally Posted by ND Sol
(Post 12084318)
Always love it when someone trots out the old I have nothing to hide argument. :rolleyes: I guess you won't mind me coming over tomorrow and searching your car and then the next day searching your house since you have nothing to hide and no expectation of privacy.
1. Would you like some Government agent to read a letter you may at some point in the future write to your boyfriend? 2. Would you like some Government agent to listen in on a phone conversation you have with your friends? After getting an emphatic "No way!" to both questions, I said: "So, you have something to hide, dont't you?" I think the point got across. |
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