No Fly List
Jul 6, 2009 | 12:34 pm
#1
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No Fly List
Well after flying all over Europe, Canada and the US in the past year it finally happened.
My husband is on AC no fly list.
Question is-how do you get off the no fly list? Will this happen on
every airline or is is airline specific?
This has probably been discussed before but please help.
My husband is on AC no fly list.
Question is-how do you get off the no fly list? Will this happen on
every airline or is is airline specific?
This has probably been discussed before but please help.
Jul 6, 2009 | 1:31 pm
#2
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Well after flying all over Europe, Canada and the US in the past year it finally happened.
My husband is on AC no fly list.
Question is-how do you get off the no fly list? Will this happen on
every airline or is is airline specific?
This has probably been discussed before but please help.
My husband is on AC no fly list.
Question is-how do you get off the no fly list? Will this happen on
every airline or is is airline specific?
This has probably been discussed before but please help.
Wiki link to some more info.
Jul 6, 2009 | 2:30 pm
#3
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Middle name usually works, but remember that, beginning in August, the boarding pass name must match exactly the name on the ID. If your husband's photo ID doesn't use his middle name, he's going to run into problems.
Jul 6, 2009 | 8:26 pm
#4
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Well after flying all over Europe, Canada and the US in the past year it finally happened.
My husband is on AC no fly list.
Question is-how do you get off the no fly list? Will this happen on
every airline or is is airline specific?
This has probably been discussed before but please help.
My husband is on AC no fly list.
Question is-how do you get off the no fly list? Will this happen on
every airline or is is airline specific?
This has probably been discussed before but please help.
How do you know he is on the No Fly List?
Jul 7, 2009 | 7:05 am
#5
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Unfortunately he has no middle name.
The desk agent at Air Canada told us his name was on the no fly list.
Would you know if this list is airline specific? We've flown 4 different
airlines but this is the first time this year on Air Canada-domestic flight
no less.
The desk agent at Air Canada told us his name was on the no fly list.
Would you know if this list is airline specific? We've flown 4 different
airlines but this is the first time this year on Air Canada-domestic flight
no less.
Jul 7, 2009 | 8:23 am
#6
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did they actually say he can't fly or did they collect his DOB at check in to verify that your husband isn't someone else.
in the US you can file something to investigate it, but i don't know canadian policies.
his new middle initial can be NMI for no middle initial.
if he wasn't denied a boarding pass then he isn't on the NFL himself, just has the same name as someone who is.
did they actually say he can't fly or did they collect his DOB at check in to verify that your husband isn't someone else.
in the US you can file something to investigate it, but i don't know canadian policies.
his new middle initial can be NMI for no middle initial.
if he wasn't denied a boarding pass then he isn't on the NFL himself, just has the same name as someone who is.
Jul 7, 2009 | 8:58 am
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I'd like to know what happened after the CSR announced he was on The List.
If nothing else (no other individuals summoned), the CSR probably should have said he was a randon selectee; they are notoriously loose with their definitions.
If he really is on The List here's a couple of sites to check out:
http://www.travelwatchlist.ca/ (independent watchdog)
http://www.tc.gc.ca/corporate-services/oor/menu.htm (official (hah!) watchdog)
If nothing else (no other individuals summoned), the CSR probably should have said he was a randon selectee; they are notoriously loose with their definitions.
If he really is on The List here's a couple of sites to check out:
http://www.travelwatchlist.ca/ (independent watchdog)
http://www.tc.gc.ca/corporate-services/oor/menu.htm (official (hah!) watchdog)
Jul 8, 2009 | 12:31 am
#8
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 707
Make one up.
There are many misunderstandings about the "no fly list" business. At least in the US, there are two lists: a no-fly list, and a second list. I forget what the second list is officially called, so let me just call it a watch list right here. As I understand it, the no-fly list is for people who aren't allowed to fly at all, and is considerably smaller than the watch list. The watch list is for people who are allowed to fly only after extra scrutiny. In popular jargon, they often both get called the no-fly list, but strictly speaking that's not accurate. I'm not too sure about the details, so I hope I got this right. Others here can probably correct me if I've gotten any of this wrong.
I wouldn't think so, but maybe the Air Canada employee was sloppy with their language. Maybe your flying partner just came up as SSSS (selectee), and wasn't on the no-fly/watch list, but the Air Canada employee made a mistaken assumption (or tried to explain in language that he/she thought a random member of the public would understand). The average member of the public, and perhaps even the average airline employee, has various misunderstandings/misconceptions about this topic.
The desk agent at Air Canada told us his name was on the no fly list.
Would you know if this list is airline specific? We've flown 4 different
airlines but this is the first time this year on Air Canada-domestic flight
no less.
airlines but this is the first time this year on Air Canada-domestic flight
no less.
Jul 9, 2009 | 9:47 am
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Jul 9, 2009 | 10:53 am
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Did a bit more digging.
A person with the same name is on the no fly list. My husband is on the "false positive" list (reminds me of a pregnancy test lol) is what they told me.
He will never get off this list but he can apply to Transportation Security (not sure what the point would be?).
What happened was: Tried online check in didn't work, tried self serve kiosk, didn't work. Told we had to go to the check in agent. When they couldn't get check in to work they had to call a special security number. They had to provide information from his drivers license, passport, how many bags he was checking and his frequent flier information (thank goodness for that....). They were then given a special "pass key" they had to type into their system and we finally got our boarding passes. Took a good 1/2 hour both leaving and returning. Desk agent kept apologizing but he did say his name was on the "no fly" list.
We were advised to show up at the airport 30-45 minutes before we normally would because we could have been denied boarding-not because of the security thing-but because we missed the boarding time.
A person with the same name is on the no fly list. My husband is on the "false positive" list (reminds me of a pregnancy test lol) is what they told me.
He will never get off this list but he can apply to Transportation Security (not sure what the point would be?).
What happened was: Tried online check in didn't work, tried self serve kiosk, didn't work. Told we had to go to the check in agent. When they couldn't get check in to work they had to call a special security number. They had to provide information from his drivers license, passport, how many bags he was checking and his frequent flier information (thank goodness for that....). They were then given a special "pass key" they had to type into their system and we finally got our boarding passes. Took a good 1/2 hour both leaving and returning. Desk agent kept apologizing but he did say his name was on the "no fly" list.
We were advised to show up at the airport 30-45 minutes before we normally would because we could have been denied boarding-not because of the security thing-but because we missed the boarding time.