Hey, guess what?
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Hey, guess what?
This is 49 CFR 1540.111.
This is the pertinent part of that CFR. I bolded the exact line that's important:
When it comes to TSA-Approved locks, the passenger is not the only one who "retains a key" to open it, as outlined in 49 CFR 1540.111. Obviously. That's the whole point of the TSA-Approved lock in the first place. The end result, however, is that TSA-Approved locks will not be acceptable for securing the hard-sided locked cases containing unloaded firearms in checked baggage.
EDIT: After thinking about it some more, I don't think it would apply since it wasn't a TSA thing in the first place. Henceforth, I have removed it.
Irony, meet fail. Fail, meet irony.
This is the pertinent part of that CFR. I bolded the exact line that's important:
A passenger may not transport or offer for transport in checked baggage or in baggage carried in an inaccessible cargo hold under §1562.23 of this chapter:
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(2) Any unloaded firearm(s) unless—
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(iv) The container in which it is carried is locked, and only the passenger retains the key or combination.
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(2) Any unloaded firearm(s) unless—
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(iv) The container in which it is carried is locked, and only the passenger retains the key or combination.
EDIT: After thinking about it some more, I don't think it would apply since it wasn't a TSA thing in the first place. Henceforth, I have removed it.
Irony, meet fail. Fail, meet irony.
Last edited by HSVTSO Dean; Jun 24, 2009 at 5:54 pm
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Indeed.
If you don't want your luggage inspected, check a firearm. The TSA is not supposed to open such cases (declared as containing a firearm).
If you don't want your luggage inspected, check a firearm. The TSA is not supposed to open such cases (declared as containing a firearm).
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And if the owner happened to choose to protect the firearm in the shipping container by use of padding made of green cotton/linen paper, that Locked Box on a domestic flight TSA cannot open might contain a few hundred thousand dollars. . .oh, wait, that would be legal. Sorry TSO, no Big Catch™ today.
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This is 49 CFR 1540.111.
This is the pertinent part of that CFR. I bolded the exact line that's important:
When it comes to TSA-Approved locks, the passenger is not the only one who "retains a key" to open it, as outlined in 49 CFR 1540.111. Obviously. That's the whole point of the TSA-Approved lock in the first place. The end result, however, is that TSA-Approved locks will not be acceptable for securing the hard-sided locked cases containing unloaded firearms in checked baggage.
Furthermore, according to the TSA Sanction Guide:
Since having a TSA-Approved lock on one's checked baggage securing their firearms would be considered to be not properly packaged, then one could very possibly also face a fine of $500-$1000 for having done so. I doubt it would ever happen, but, if just taking exactly what I read at face value, that could very well be the case.
Irony, meet fail. Fail, meet irony.
This is the pertinent part of that CFR. I bolded the exact line that's important:
When it comes to TSA-Approved locks, the passenger is not the only one who "retains a key" to open it, as outlined in 49 CFR 1540.111. Obviously. That's the whole point of the TSA-Approved lock in the first place. The end result, however, is that TSA-Approved locks will not be acceptable for securing the hard-sided locked cases containing unloaded firearms in checked baggage.
Furthermore, according to the TSA Sanction Guide:
Since having a TSA-Approved lock on one's checked baggage securing their firearms would be considered to be not properly packaged, then one could very possibly also face a fine of $500-$1000 for having done so. I doubt it would ever happen, but, if just taking exactly what I read at face value, that could very well be the case.
Irony, meet fail. Fail, meet irony.
So declare a gun, TSA can't open the luggage for inspection, does it fly or does it get yanked from the luggage? What if you declare a gun so as to have secure luggage and have no gun in that luggage? Does that fall under another obscure paragraph that causes another forfeiture of $$$$?
Dean, does anyone writing the rules ever bother to talk to anyone else about the rules before the rules get implemented? I mean in cases like this a sanity check would be great.
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Before I go buy a pellet gun, would anyone who routinely flies with firearms in checked baggage confirm this? Thx.
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However, I have witnessed, on my last two occasions of flying out of FLL, TSA personnel requiring pax to open the locked gun case at the counter to validate contents prior to going down the luggage chute to the inspection area.
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I think its the gun case itself that is locked/protected not the entire bag ... so yes, that means with the unlocked/tsa lock bs, etc that potentially the bag is later opened and the case removed ... How is that handled now?
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AFAIK, gun cases are not permitted inside of other luggage. I always thought gun cases used for transporting weapons as checked luggage are supposed to be hard-sided cases and checked with the airline as individual pieces of luggage.
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As I recall, weapon's cases aren't the only thing that the TSA isn't allowed to search. I believe that they also cannot search a packed parachute that is checked in as luggage.
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Originally Posted by Combat Medic
As I recall, weapon's cases aren't the only thing that the TSA isn't allowed to search. I believe that they also cannot search a packed parachute that is checked in as luggage.
If the passenger does not give explicit permission to screen it, however, then it will not be allowed to go anywhere except back outside of the airport.
TSA's guidelines for traveling with parachutes.
The same guidelines exist for chemical protection suits that the Army (or whomever) might bring through the checkpoint. If a need to search it arises, the passenger has to give explicit consent (since opening it for inspection would de-sterilize it, or something~). If the consent isn't given, then the item is denied entry into the sterile area, or denied carriage in checked baggage (whichever applies).
Originally Posted by DevilDog438
AFAIK, gun cases are not permitted inside of other luggage. I always thought gun cases used for transporting weapons as checked luggage are supposed to be hard-sided cases and checked with the airline as individual pieces of luggage.
Everything else being said--
So declare a gun, TSA can't open the luggage for inspection, does it fly or does it get yanked from the luggage?
If you don't want your luggage inspected, check a firearm. The TSA is not supposed to open such cases (declared as containing a firearm).
that Locked Box on a domestic flight TSA cannot open
Originally Posted by GoingAway
I think its the gun case itself that is locked/protected not the entire bag ... so yes, that means with the unlocked/tsa lock bs, etc that potentially the bag is later opened and the case removed ... How is that handled now?
It is the gun case itself, not the entire bag that the gun case is in. Some FSDs (such as the one in HSV) have still mandated that, at their airports, the interior of the cases will be inspected. Really, the "don't open gun cases" thing was directed at airports that used the big CTX x-ray devices in baggage. In that case, you wouldn't need to open it unless there was something else inside of the bag that warranted inspection. But as for the scenario of having a big, massive Pelican case with a starter pistol declared and sitting on top of everything else - no. Declaration of a firearm is not a "get out of screening free" card.
TSA's guidelines for traveling with declared firearms. You will note the fifth bullet that states the case might need to be opened. There's also that very last sentence, too - "TSA locks are not approved for securing firearms." - that I don't think was on there the last time I actually looked at the page.
Originally Posted by AngryMiller
Dean, does anyone writing the rules ever bother to talk to anyone else about the rules before the rules get implemented? I mean in cases like this a sanity check would be great.
Or so it seems.
Last edited by HSVTSO Dean; Jun 24, 2009 at 6:19 pm
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Are you flying out of FLL in DL terminal 2? I know where TSA is behind the door near the larger oversized belt. I remember that I realize know TSA is sitting in the chair wait for more larger equipment need to be searches. So when the bags is cleared. He will put into the conveyer belt. It will send downstairs instead of going to x-ray machines room.

