Border Patrol - random sideroad stop
May 24, 2009, 3:04 pm
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Border Patrol - random sideroad stop
This past week I have been travelling in Texas and New Mexico. On a rural road about 20 miles outside of Deming, NM I was pulled over by a border patrol agent and asked why I was in the area. He commented that he didn't see too many Texas license plates (I was 80 miles to El Paso), and was curious as to why I was there.
While he never asked for ID or for my name, he did ask if I was a US citizen. Later at the hotel I checked out what I could find on the border patrol and its authority and I cannot determine how what he did was legal. Was it?
I did get his name and can detail where this occurred if it is worth filing a complaint against him.
Oh yeah, he was in a pick-up truck with roof lights and he carried a sidearm, unlike those who asked my citizenship at the I-10 checkpoint.
While he never asked for ID or for my name, he did ask if I was a US citizen. Later at the hotel I checked out what I could find on the border patrol and its authority and I cannot determine how what he did was legal. Was it?
I did get his name and can detail where this occurred if it is worth filing a complaint against him.
Oh yeah, he was in a pick-up truck with roof lights and he carried a sidearm, unlike those who asked my citizenship at the I-10 checkpoint.
May 24, 2009, 3:14 pm
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This past week I have been travelling in Texas and New Mexico. On a rural road about 20 miles outside of Deming, NM I was pulled over by a border patrol agent and asked why I was in the area. He commented that he didn't see too many Texas license plates (I was 80 miles to El Paso), and was curious as to why I was there.
While he never asked for ID or for my name, he did ask if I was a US citizen. Later at the hotel I checked out what I could find on the border patrol and its authority and I cannot determine how what he did was legal. Was it?
I did get his name and can detail where this occurred if it is worth filing a complaint against him.
Oh yeah, he was in a pick-up truck with roof lights and he carried a sidearm, unlike those who asked my citizenship at the I-10 checkpoint.
While he never asked for ID or for my name, he did ask if I was a US citizen. Later at the hotel I checked out what I could find on the border patrol and its authority and I cannot determine how what he did was legal. Was it?
I did get his name and can detail where this occurred if it is worth filing a complaint against him.
Oh yeah, he was in a pick-up truck with roof lights and he carried a sidearm, unlike those who asked my citizenship at the I-10 checkpoint.
Traffic stops are to be supported by reasonable suspicion.
May 24, 2009, 3:14 pm
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Bill,
Within a hundred miles of the border its legal. ICE does not subscribe to the requirement that they need reasonable suspicion. It's not right, but we have ceded so much power to the Federal government in the area of immigration and customs enforcement we'll never get it back to a balance between citizen's rights and government intrusion. It is clearly tilted in favor of the government IMHO.
In the areas where they patrol or run roadblocks, ICE Agents can stop anyone, and assess whether they are in this country legally. If you choose not to cooperate, you likely will find yourself in handcuffs or worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzd7G875Hc
Within a hundred miles of the border its legal. ICE does not subscribe to the requirement that they need reasonable suspicion. It's not right, but we have ceded so much power to the Federal government in the area of immigration and customs enforcement we'll never get it back to a balance between citizen's rights and government intrusion. It is clearly tilted in favor of the government IMHO.
In the areas where they patrol or run roadblocks, ICE Agents can stop anyone, and assess whether they are in this country legally. If you choose not to cooperate, you likely will find yourself in handcuffs or worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzd7G875Hc
May 24, 2009, 3:14 pm
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This past week I have been travelling in Texas and New Mexico. On a rural road about 20 miles outside of Deming, NM I was pulled over by a border patrol agent and asked why I was in the area. He commented that he didn't see too many Texas license plates (I was 80 miles to El Paso), and was curious as to why I was there.
While he never asked for ID or for my name, he did ask if I was a US citizen. Later at the hotel I checked out what I could find on the border patrol and its authority and I cannot determine how what he did was legal. Was it?
I did get his name and can detail where this occurred if it is worth filing a complaint against him.
Oh yeah, he was in a pick-up truck with roof lights and he carried a sidearm, unlike those who asked my citizenship at the I-10 checkpoint.
While he never asked for ID or for my name, he did ask if I was a US citizen. Later at the hotel I checked out what I could find on the border patrol and its authority and I cannot determine how what he did was legal. Was it?
I did get his name and can detail where this occurred if it is worth filing a complaint against him.
Oh yeah, he was in a pick-up truck with roof lights and he carried a sidearm, unlike those who asked my citizenship at the I-10 checkpoint.
May 24, 2009, 3:16 pm
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Bill,
Within a hundred miles of the border its legal. It's not right, but we have ceded so much power to the Federal government we'll never get it back.
ICE Agents can stop you, and assess whether you are in this country legally. If you choose not to cooperate, you likely will find yourself in handcuffs or worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzd7G875Hc
Within a hundred miles of the border its legal. It's not right, but we have ceded so much power to the Federal government we'll never get it back.
ICE Agents can stop you, and assess whether you are in this country legally. If you choose not to cooperate, you likely will find yourself in handcuffs or worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzd7G875Hc
May 24, 2009, 3:19 pm
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Bill,
Within a hundred miles of the border its legal. It's not right, but we have ceded so much power to the Federal government we'll never get it back.
ICE Agents can stop you, and assess whether you are in this country legally. If you choose not to cooperate, you likely will find yourself in handcuffs or worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzd7G875Hc
Within a hundred miles of the border its legal. It's not right, but we have ceded so much power to the Federal government we'll never get it back.
ICE Agents can stop you, and assess whether you are in this country legally. If you choose not to cooperate, you likely will find yourself in handcuffs or worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzd7G875Hc
May 24, 2009, 3:19 pm
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May 24, 2009, 3:23 pm
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After that we are drove back to my uncle's house to PHX but, we are stop at border checkpoint to made sure if we are US citizen but, we doesn't show the identifications. So this is it where we drove back to PHX.
May 24, 2009, 3:30 pm
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I remember where we are stopped border checkpoint in between Arizona/California line. If we are US citizen to go ahead continues driving to El Centro, CA. I remember where we spent there only for 1 day and drove back home to Arizona. I remember where we drove to Mexico/US border. It was short time where we are in Mexico and back to US lines. We have to carry ID along with me. I remember the weather are very extremely hot condition in Mexico. I remember where we go to lunch at KFC buffet.
After that we are drove back to my uncle's house to PHX but, we are stop at border checkpoint to made sure if we are US citizen but, we doesn't show the identifications. So this is it where we drove back to PHX.
After that we are drove back to my uncle's house to PHX but, we are stop at border checkpoint to made sure if we are US citizen but, we doesn't show the identifications. So this is it where we drove back to PHX.
May 24, 2009, 3:41 pm
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This happened to me when I was working for a newspaper a few years ago. I was out covering the Minuteman thing (the original one in Naco, Arizona), and one of our stories was to head up this dirt "road" that paralleled the fence for a bit.
We got stopped by a BP guy in a Jeep, who just wanted to know what we were doing driving a brand new rental Jeep on this "road." Told him, he gave us some water, told us where the killer bee nests were and we were out of there. Aside from the USBP Drug Dog & Handler that decided to dart in front of my car at a checkpoint, I've found the BP folks to be pretty reasonable. Maybe it's because I'm white and always have the Rolling Stones or AC/DC on in my car when I roll through the checkpoint.
We got stopped by a BP guy in a Jeep, who just wanted to know what we were doing driving a brand new rental Jeep on this "road." Told him, he gave us some water, told us where the killer bee nests were and we were out of there. Aside from the USBP Drug Dog & Handler that decided to dart in front of my car at a checkpoint, I've found the BP folks to be pretty reasonable. Maybe it's because I'm white and always have the Rolling Stones or AC/DC on in my car when I roll through the checkpoint.
^^^
May 24, 2009, 9:11 pm
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As there's no Popeye's in Australia, it's on my (very short) list of "things for which I would consider running the TSA gauntlet."