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magellan315 May 23, 2009 11:49 am


Originally Posted by Bart (Post 11794373)
Nice twist with the quotes. Read it in context. It's a Border Patrol operation with TSA assistance.

Points for nice try, though.

You missed this quote from this article:

Border Patrol officials say they were supporting a Transportation Security Administration operation when Border Patrol agents detained 21 people at the Old Town Trolley Station.
So let me get this straight, a bunch of ICE/BP agents get on a bus and the BDO's were there to identify anyone who looked nervous. I'd be nervous if that happened and I am a native born U.S. citizen.

VideoPaul May 23, 2009 12:31 pm


Originally Posted by whirledtraveler (Post 11794035)
It's not "enforcing the law" it's pathetic opportunism. The ID check is supposed to be for security, not for random immigration sweeps. Hopefully, a court puts this back in check.

The TSA will be doing a lot more to help this counry by doing this kind of raid more...but just about the ONLY thing that will get someone to actually rein them in is illegal immigrant sweeps. If ever there were a protected minority / victim group, those who have no right to be here who are draining our social services resources to send our money back across the border instead of spending it in our economy is certainly the one that will trump the TSA.


--PP

N830MH May 23, 2009 2:17 pm


Originally Posted by Bart (Post 11794373)
Nice twist with the quotes. Read it in context. It's a Border Patrol operation with TSA assistance.

Points for nice try, though.

Yep, sure they did. ^ It will eventually to keep illegal aliens out of USA. It will have enforced the borders. It's time to have need to be stepped it up more CBP/INS around the borders in between Arizona/California. This is better work for CBP will have to be screening all Hispanics people to do required background check.

bocastephen May 23, 2009 2:19 pm


Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 11795104)
Yep, sure they did. ^ It will eventually to keep illegal aliens out of USA. It will have enforced the borders. It's time to have need to be stepped it up more CBP/INS around the borders in between Arizona/California. This is better work for CBP will have to be screening all Hispanics people to do required background check.

Are you suggesting that hispanic people be singled out for checks?

Eastbay1K May 23, 2009 3:33 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 11795108)
Are you suggesting that hispanic people be singled out for checks?

Of course. They are taking all of our good jobs, they are singlehandedly responsible for the downfall of the healthcare system, and most importantly, have taken all of the desirable seating on the San Diego Trolley. Not to mention spreading the flu, and occasionally, the runs.

I grew up in the USA expecting that one could live peaceably without having to prove who one was if minding his own business, never in fear of random detentions, reasonably certain that constitutional rights would be upheld, etc.

I would never have imagined that one would need to carry a passport, either a US passport, or a foreign passport with the relevant visa (or waiver) attached to ride a bloody trolley in California, or face detention or deportation. I wouldn't even expect I'd even need a drivers license.

WalkinBackToTexas May 23, 2009 3:37 pm

Glad to see more resources going toward a growing problem. Mexico violence is out of control and the problems have been spilling over into the US. Hopefully this will put a dent in it at least ...

Trollkiller May 23, 2009 3:58 pm

Not the response I was expecting from this board. I thought that those that would gripe about the waste the BDO program is at the airport would be totally against the TSA OVERSTEPPING their legal authority once again to harass citizens in hopes of catching a few very minor criminals.

It seems like in your minds if a person is so lowly that they ride the bus/trolley they deserve to be illegally harassed by the same organization you rail against on this forum.

Truly disgusting.

AngryMiller May 23, 2009 4:33 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 11795342)
Not the response I was expecting from this board. I thought that those that would gripe about the waste the BDO program is at the airport would be totally against the TSA OVERSTEPPING their legal authority once again to harass citizens in hopes of catching a few very minor criminals.

It seems like in your minds if a person is so lowly that they ride the bus/trolley they deserve to be illegally harassed by the same organization you rail against on this forum.

Truly disgusting.

Truly disgusting? The mission creep that I've complained about over at PV and here? TSA can't even do their primary mission without messing that one up and they want to take on additional responsibilities as well? Since they don't seem to handle the responsibilities entrusted to them then why do they want to take on even more tasks? Money for an out of control, answerable to no one agency? This is incredibly frustrating.

As to the illegals, we have another agency dealing with them. We also have a federal government afraid of offending a potential voter (after the next amnesty program). Save us all from our own government. Please.

halls120 May 23, 2009 4:38 pm


Originally Posted by Bart (Post 11793922)
Shame on the Border Patrol for using a capability from a sister DHS agency when it could have spent more taxpayer dollars to develop its own capability! And what a shameful thing it is to enforce the law!

If TSA has enough personnel to be able to loan them out to ICE, perhaps Congress should take a look at moving some FTE's from TSA to ICE or the Border Patrol.

Trollkiller May 23, 2009 4:43 pm


Originally Posted by halls120 (Post 11795436)
If TSA has enough personnel to be able to loan them out to ICE, perhaps Congress should take a look at moving some FTE's from TSA to ICE or the Border Patrol.

Thing is it was BP that was loaned out to the TSA.

wildcatlh May 23, 2009 4:59 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 11795342)
Not the response I was expecting from this board. I thought that those that would gripe about the waste the BDO program is at the airport would be totally against the TSA OVERSTEPPING their legal authority once again to harass citizens in hopes of catching a few very minor criminals.

It seems like in your minds if a person is so lowly that they ride the bus/trolley they deserve to be illegally harassed by the same organization you rail against on this forum.

Truly disgusting.

Because for some reason, when it comes to "illegal immigrants", people are willing to overlook grossly unconstitutional practices because they're somehow destroying our country. Or something like that, the justification changes.

bocastephen May 23, 2009 5:03 pm


Originally Posted by wildcatlh (Post 11795489)
Because for some reason, when it comes to "illegal immigrants", people are willing to overlook grossly unconstitutional practices because they're somehow destroying our country. Or something like that, the justification changes.

Not me. I don't favor illegal immigration one bit, but doing ethnic-based sweeps inside our borders is foul. I don't carry my passport with me - how can I prove that I'm a citizen?

What's worse here is using a non-law enforcement agency to conduct law enforcement actions - especially one which is so well known to be completely inept and incompetent.

gsoltso May 23, 2009 5:27 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 11795342)
Not the response I was expecting from this board. I thought that those that would gripe about the waste the BDO program is at the airport would be totally against the TSA OVERSTEPPING their legal authority once again to harass citizens in hopes of catching a few very minor criminals.

It seems like in your minds if a person is so lowly that they ride the bus/trolley they deserve to be illegally harassed by the same organization you rail against on this forum.

Truly disgusting.

I think this sounds a lot like some of the operations that have been going on nationwide at transportation venues like bus stations, train stations, subways, etc. I have no further info on what actually took place, but it might have been a co-op because they have a high count of illegal aliens in that area. I have no info so I am going to refrain from a lot of comment (so I don't look completely ignorant). It sounds like the VIPR operations that take place all over.

Trollkiller May 23, 2009 5:38 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 11795499)
Not me. I don't favor illegal immigration one bit, but doing ethnic-based sweeps inside our borders is foul. I don't carry my passport with me - how can I prove that I'm a citizen?

What's worse here is using a non-law enforcement agency to conduct law enforcement actions - especially one which is so well known to be completely inept and incompetent.

I prefer to call them criminal aliens instead of illegal aliens. To me a criminal is someone that willfully and purposely breaks the law, an illegal on the other hand is someone that unintentionally breaks the law.

Example: A goat herder that crosses the border to retrieve his goat and then returns is an illegal, someone that crosses to live is a criminal.

I am a strongly opposed to criminal aliens, I have no sympathy for them. When people cry that deporting a criminal alien is not fair because they had an anchor baby, I don't care. The sob stories do not pull on my heart strings.

The fact these criminal aliens were caught does not bother me, it is the manner they were caught that bugs hell out of me.

Error 601 May 23, 2009 5:44 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 11794570)
What legal authority does DHS have to "sweep" for illegals inside the country? Can anyone be stopped by DHS (not TSA, mind you - I'd just flip them off) law enforcement and be required to provide proof of citizenship or be subject to arrest on the spot??

Unfortunately those who reside within 100 miles of an international border are subject to immigration inspection and potentially detention at all times without cause.


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