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Originally Posted by spotnik
(Post 11796111)
I think it would be a great harm to the TSO uniformed workforce if the public starts lumping us in with real law enforcement.
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If TSA is in fact attempting to catch and rob undocumented citizens of their freedom, I would think they are simply expanding their scope to the point that it is even harder for them to do their core job.
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Originally Posted by law dawg
(Post 11795735)
If the agent is halfway competent, in about 5 minutes of conversation.
Actually, any conversation that goes beyond 30 seconds is going to become a repetitive song of 'am I under arrest'/'am I free to leave' until I'm either arrested or let go. If arrested, I will enjoy padding my retirement account courtesy of whichever police authority arrested me. Hopefully it's the Broward Sheriff's office, as they pay out settlements on a fairly regular basis; it's nothing new to them. As far as VIPR teams and other such 'off-airport' TSA antics - everyone should be aware that you are under no obligation - zero - to speak to, identify yourself to or have any conversation with or be searched by a TSA screener outside of the sterile area. Anyone who allows themselves to be part of such an interaction only has themselves to blame for whatever happens as a result. |
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 11795980)
Does the law allow the TSA to do administrative searches outside the airport?
The best bet is to FOIA TSA Mangement Directive 100.4 which pertains to Transportation Security Searches. You should be able to get it because most MDs are not SSI, there's only one I know of that is. In fact, there's a few that can be accessed with simple Google searches. |
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Originally Posted by Bart
(Post 11796456)
Actually, TSA covers all of the transportation systems. This is why it is a separate agency under DHS.
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As a former LEO who worked and resides in FL I can tell you with no uncertain terms all that "Constitution Free Zone" BS is just that. BS!.....Don't bother posting a myriad assortment of links you think says otherwise. Some of you people are slowly killing me.Thanks. :cool:
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Originally Posted by KTW
(Post 11796516)
As a former LEO who worked and resides in FL I can tell you with no uncertain terms all that "Constitution Free Zone" BS is just that. BS!.....Don't bother posting a myriad assortment of links you think says otherwise. Some of you people are slowly killing me.Thanks. :cool:
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Originally Posted by 601
(Post 11795595)
Unfortunately those who reside within 100 miles of an international border are subject to immigration inspection and potentially detention at all times without cause.
The shenanigans are bad enough at the airport; I don't want to deal with it when I go to work or to the grocery store. |
Originally Posted by Bart
(Post 11796456)
Actually, TSA covers all of the transportation systems. This is why it is a separate agency under DHS.
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Originally Posted by KTW
(Post 11796516)
As a former LEO who worked and resides in FL I can tell you with no uncertain terms all that "Constitution Free Zone" BS is just that. BS!.....Don't bother posting a myriad assortment of links you think says otherwise. Some of you people are slowly killing me.Thanks. :cool:
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 11796693)
I get that part and don't dispute it. I know the statutes that give the TSA administrative search authority for the airports, I am wondering is there a statute that gives TSA administrative search authority outside the airport?
(d) Functions.— The Under Secretary shall be responsible for security in all modes of transportation, including— (1) carrying out chapter 449, relating to civil aviation security, and related research and development activities; and (2) security responsibilities over other modes of transportation that are exercised by the Department of Transportation. |
Originally Posted by onlyairfare
(Post 11796575)
I live about 20 miles south of the Canadian border. Am I now "supposed to" carry a passport with me at all times? Or only when I ride a bus or other "public conveyance"?
The shenanigans are bad enough at the airport; I don't want to deal with it when I go to work or to the grocery store. But if you say "out and about" like a Canadian, you should carry your passport with you. That would set off their BDO detectors and be casue to return you to Canada as an illegal here trying to milk the benefits of our healthcare and prescription medicine system. |
Originally Posted by onlyairfare
(Post 11796575)
I live about 20 miles south of the Canadian border. Am I now "supposed to" carry a passport with me at all times? Or only when I ride a bus or other "public conveyance"?
The shenanigans are bad enough at the airport; I don't want to deal with it when I go to work or to the grocery store. Arrived at checkpoint on travel day, had to present ID, tell them where I was from and where I was going, roll down windows, etc. Asked what was in my luggage (dirty clothing then). Sadly, we've allowed, in the name of security at any cost, our rights surrendered as one of the costs of security.:( |
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