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DevilDog438 May 23, 2009 9:33 pm


Originally Posted by spotnik (Post 11796111)
I think it would be a great harm to the TSO uniformed workforce if the public starts lumping us in with real law enforcement.

Sure is nice that HQ purchased you some nice spiffy uniforms and tin badges...sure helps with ensuring that the public doesn't lump you in with LE. Of course, those in your organization that use the little tin piece to go on a more authoritative "you will respect me" rampage...

PhlyingRPh May 23, 2009 10:30 pm

If TSA is in fact attempting to catch and rob undocumented citizens of their freedom, I would think they are simply expanding their scope to the point that it is even harder for them to do their core job.

bocastephen May 23, 2009 10:38 pm


Originally Posted by law dawg (Post 11795735)
If the agent is halfway competent, in about 5 minutes of conversation.

I shouldn't need to have a 5 minute conversation - I shouldn't need to have any conversation to prove anything.

Actually, any conversation that goes beyond 30 seconds is going to become a repetitive song of 'am I under arrest'/'am I free to leave' until I'm either arrested or let go. If arrested, I will enjoy padding my retirement account courtesy of whichever police authority arrested me. Hopefully it's the Broward Sheriff's office, as they pay out settlements on a fairly regular basis; it's nothing new to them.

As far as VIPR teams and other such 'off-airport' TSA antics - everyone should be aware that you are under no obligation - zero - to speak to, identify yourself to or have any conversation with or be searched by a TSA screener outside of the sterile area. Anyone who allows themselves to be part of such an interaction only has themselves to blame for whatever happens as a result.

Bart May 23, 2009 11:10 pm

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LoganTSO May 23, 2009 11:14 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 11795980)
Does the law allow the TSA to do administrative searches outside the airport?

Not sure.

The best bet is to FOIA TSA Mangement Directive 100.4 which pertains to Transportation Security Searches.

You should be able to get it because most MDs are not SSI, there's only one I know of that is. In fact, there's a few that can be accessed with simple Google searches.

Bart May 23, 2009 11:17 pm

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N830MH May 23, 2009 11:25 pm


Originally Posted by Bart (Post 11796456)
Actually, TSA covers all of the transportation systems. This is why it is a separate agency under DHS.

Of course they do. It is separately from TSA & DHS. I don't think TSA is not able to being changeability new policy from KHIAI. It's time to be destroyed with TSA is an un-American actions. I knows wasn't made big mistaken for what they did for TSA for many time where I went through at checkpoint. I am never hidden the shoes. What about shoes carnival will be eventually goes away immediately. Its asbolutely is no sesnse with the shoes explosives went through at x-ray machines. I wasn't feels the concerns about TSA will be terminated the job out of all-Airports immediately. I won't rest for the miserable life. I knows president Bush has signed into laws from 8 years ago and its absolutely is no right to signed anymore new laws, period. It's time to change the old way back to normal immediately.

KTW May 23, 2009 11:44 pm

As a former LEO who worked and resides in FL I can tell you with no uncertain terms all that "Constitution Free Zone" BS is just that. BS!.....Don't bother posting a myriad assortment of links you think says otherwise. Some of you people are slowly killing me.Thanks. :cool:

bocastephen May 23, 2009 11:55 pm


Originally Posted by KTW (Post 11796516)
As a former LEO who worked and resides in FL I can tell you with no uncertain terms all that "Constitution Free Zone" BS is just that. BS!.....Don't bother posting a myriad assortment of links you think says otherwise. Some of you people are slowly killing me.Thanks. :cool:

Are you saying there is no such thing as a Constitution-free zone?

onlyairfare May 24, 2009 12:22 am


Originally Posted by 601 (Post 11795595)
Unfortunately those who reside within 100 miles of an international border are subject to immigration inspection and potentially detention at all times without cause.

I live about 20 miles south of the Canadian border. Am I now "supposed to" carry a passport with me at all times? Or only when I ride a bus or other "public conveyance"?

The shenanigans are bad enough at the airport; I don't want to deal with it when I go to work or to the grocery store.

Trollkiller May 24, 2009 1:44 am


Originally Posted by Bart (Post 11796456)
Actually, TSA covers all of the transportation systems. This is why it is a separate agency under DHS.

I get that part and don't dispute it. I know the statutes that give the TSA administrative search authority for the airports, I am wondering is there a statute that gives TSA administrative search authority outside the airport?

Trollkiller May 24, 2009 1:48 am


Originally Posted by KTW (Post 11796516)
As a former LEO who worked and resides in FL I can tell you with no uncertain terms all that "Constitution Free Zone" BS is just that. BS!.....Don't bother posting a myriad assortment of links you think says otherwise. Some of you people are slowly killing me.Thanks. :cool:

Not arguing one way or the other, link was posted to give information on the "Constitution Free Zone".

What department did you work for?

Good Guy May 24, 2009 7:30 am


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 11796693)
I get that part and don't dispute it. I know the statutes that give the TSA administrative search authority for the airports, I am wondering is there a statute that gives TSA administrative search authority outside the airport?

Title 49 USC 114(d)(2)


(d) Functions.— The Under Secretary shall be responsible for security in all modes of transportation, including—
(1) carrying out chapter 449, relating to civil aviation security, and related research and development activities; and
(2) security responsibilities over other modes of transportation that are exercised by the Department of Transportation.

AArlington May 24, 2009 7:50 am


Originally Posted by onlyairfare (Post 11796575)
I live about 20 miles south of the Canadian border. Am I now "supposed to" carry a passport with me at all times? Or only when I ride a bus or other "public conveyance"?

The shenanigans are bad enough at the airport; I don't want to deal with it when I go to work or to the grocery store.

Perhaps. Of course, they won't racially profile you, because that would be bad.

But if you say "out and about" like a Canadian, you should carry your passport with you. That would set off their BDO detectors and be casue to return you to Canada as an illegal here trying to milk the benefits of our healthcare and prescription medicine system.

AngryMiller May 24, 2009 8:35 am


Originally Posted by onlyairfare (Post 11796575)
I live about 20 miles south of the Canadian border. Am I now "supposed to" carry a passport with me at all times? Or only when I ride a bus or other "public conveyance"?

The shenanigans are bad enough at the airport; I don't want to deal with it when I go to work or to the grocery store.

On a recent trip to Nogales, Az I drove south from Tuscon and noticed a Boarder Patrol checkpoint in the north bound lane. The checkpoint operation had traffic backed up for miles. Made a mental note to leave an hour earlier than planned so as to have enough time to clear the checkpoint and still make the flight.

Arrived at checkpoint on travel day, had to present ID, tell them where I was from and where I was going, roll down windows, etc. Asked what was in my luggage (dirty clothing then).

Sadly, we've allowed, in the name of security at any cost, our rights surrendered as one of the costs of security.:(


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