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HSVTSO Dean May 16, 2009 12:33 pm

From Newark:
 
Check out this puppy.

I'm actually mildly surprised by this, but I'll say absolutely nothing more and won't expand upon that surprise at all.

Spiff May 16, 2009 12:46 pm

"Finding these items demonstrates exactly why TSA is in the airport screening bags and passengers," said Newark FSD Barbara Powell."

Rubbish! The TSA is an absolute joke and a disgrace to this nation because:

"With the possibility of an explosive, authorities evacuated several gate areas, the security checkpoint and the baggage screening area."

and then:

"The passenger was allowed to continue on his flight."

Huh?? :confused: So, there was no threat AND there was no criminal intent?

As usual for the TSA:

STUPID!!! :mad:

LessO2 May 16, 2009 1:18 pm

Well, now the TSA can't use the "it's hard" argument to find this stuff when they fail their Red Team tests.

goalie May 16, 2009 2:27 pm


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 11759417)
Well, now the TSA can't use the "it's hard" argument to find this stuff when they fail their Red Team tests.

bingo ^ and humor me on this one folks, but there's just a teeny weeny part of me that wonders.....was pax just that effing stupid to have a replica (i.e fake) ied in their bag or did it not happen as described. not saying the terminal wasn't dumped as that would be hard to disprove but was it in fact the pax or the tsa at ewr that did it on purpose to make themselves look good. sorry but ever since watergate and proof positive evidence of wmd's in iraq.....

Trollkiller May 16, 2009 2:49 pm


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 11759656)
bingo ^ and humor me on this one folks, but there's just a teeny weeny part of me that wonders.....was pax just that effing stupid to have a replica (i.e fake) ied in their bag or did it not happen as described. not saying the terminal wasn't dumped as that would be hard to disprove but was it in fact the pax or the tsa at ewr that did it on purpose to make themselves look good. sorry but ever since watergate and proof positive evidence of wmd's in iraq.....

Even if the PAX was stupid enough to make a fake IED, that is still a crime. (hoax destructive device). The fact he had actual blasting caps would send the PAX to the pokey.

Something smells on this one. Thanks Dean for bringing it to our attention.

From the article


Two of the bags contained replica improvised explosive devices, accompanied by actual blasting caps.

DoggyDaddy May 16, 2009 3:28 pm

Was the passenger allowed on his way with the items. If so, were the "actual blasting caps" allowed to accompany them? :confused:



DD

sbm12 May 16, 2009 3:49 pm

As long as we're having fun with the article,

Once cleared by the bomb squad, local TSA worked to repopulate the terminal and rescreen all passengers and employees.
..."except the TSA employees, because we know they present no threat. Ever." Or something like that.

doober May 16, 2009 3:57 pm

My first thought is: why is the TSA touting finding explosives, even fake, ones is their charge? Does the NYPD put out a press release every time it solves a murder or arrests someone for a crime?

My second thought was: there is something fishy here if the passenger was allowed to continue his trip.

Come on, Dean, what's your take on this?

N965VJ May 16, 2009 4:12 pm

It’s hard to believe the TSA Spokesholes let a whole week’s news cycle go by on this. A quick look at the news feeds shows nothing about this incident at all. In contrast, there are several articles right now about something being found in SEA yesterday.

Trollkiller May 16, 2009 4:12 pm


Originally Posted by doober (Post 11759893)
My first thought is: why is the TSA touting finding explosives, even fake, ones is their charge? Does the NYPD put out a press release every time it solves a murder or arrests someone for a crime?

My second thought was: there is something fishy here if the passenger was allowed to continue his trip.

Come on, Dean, what's your take on this?

I don't mind a press release on finding explosives, THAT is what we pay the TSA to do. Press releases on finding joints or credit cards are what upset me.

N965VJ May 16, 2009 4:12 pm

Disregard; dupe post.

gsoltso May 16, 2009 6:12 pm


Originally Posted by doober (Post 11759893)
My first thought is: why is the TSA touting finding explosives, even fake, ones is their charge? Does the NYPD put out a press release every time it solves a murder or arrests someone for a crime?

My second thought was: there is something fishy here if the passenger was allowed to continue his trip.

Come on, Dean, what's your take on this?

One reason that HQ posts stuff like this on a regular basis is because a lot of times people in the press beat up on the organization about what they do or do not find. It is a basic publication of positive information. It shows that the organization is actually doing what it is supposed to do. Just for the record, if that bag came into my bag room, we would dump the concourse and the front section of our airport! That is just guh-nasty looking! I am still not certain as to what the rationale behind allowing the passenger to fly, maybe there are some factors that are not known. (like maybe a military guy, maybe a red team or some such group that forgot to coordinate... Nah, that would mean the caps were inert... Huh, dunno)

Flaflyer May 16, 2009 6:19 pm

Nice Photo, TSA
 

Originally Posted by doober (Post 11759893)
there is something fishy here if the passenger was allowed to continue his trip.

Very, very large, not hidden, Classic (timer w/LED display-wire-cap-rectangular block of putty) b*mb parts and TSA brags about finding them in a press release? If they can’t find these . . . :td:

Who is the Mystery Pax? My first guess was "Hollywood pyro tech". But the guys at IATSE Local 44 are pros,^ they would know how to ship their wares, and they travel enough to know not to take it on a plane.

Pax checked NINE bags. :eek: At today’s bag fees, who can afford that? Someone not paying out of their own pocket: a government type. Pax not arrested, allowed to continue? Only one type: cop/military with a real badge or orders. Perhaps a Red Team member on their way to another city to “work”? :rolleyes:

TSA’s picture tells the story. The bag is a flip top toolbox, old, worn, beat up, but still serviceable. Metal frame. Not a plastic Sears homeowners tool box. Belongs to a traveling pro, one used to traveling with gear, one who works for an outfit that uses old boxes as long as they can, like an underfunded government agency. Or a retired person from such an occupation.

Clue: The fake b*mb has wires looking like they go thru a watertight bulkhead seal. (doober was on the right track with his fishy insight. ^)

Trite Alert: The b*mb is wired with a Red wire and a Blue wire. Only the Mayberry bomb squad trainer who has seen too many Hollywood B movies would use the “The H-b*mb Big Acme Red LED timer*(*required component) is down to 5 seconds, do I cut the Blue wire or the Red wire?” color code. :p

Where might pax be going? This EWR event happened May 8. Google is our friend ^ Just look up a certain occupation ;) for conventions or annual national training meets.

Oh, look, the Fraternal Order of (US Navy) Underwater Swimmers School, a division of the National Explosive Ordnance Disposal Association, is having their annual reunion and Mega beer drinking fest May 14-17 in Panama City, Florida.

Bring memorabilia and photos to share. Duh, better tell TSA first or ship UPS next time. :D

My guess: Pax is a current/retired Navy Seal/local police bomb squad member, taking his nine bags of wares and war souvenirs to a beer fest vacation on the Florida Gulf. That is why he was not arrested.

""Our goal is to keep passengers safe and keep harmful items off planes," said Powell. "Every once in a while it is a fellow passenger. . ." That is odd wording for a non-catching a non-criminal press release. Something not usual or right about it. The word fellow gave it away.

HSVTSO: Friday's Big Catch™ was not a Terrorist, but one of TSA's Own. :td:

LessO2 May 16, 2009 6:32 pm


Originally Posted by gsoltso (Post 11760254)
One reason that HQ posts stuff like this on a regular basis is because a lot of times people in the press beat up on the organization about what they do or do not find. It is a basic publication of positive information. It shows that the organization is actually doing what it is supposed to do.

It also raises the ante when the next word of Red Team failures comes out.

Bart May 17, 2009 6:38 am

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