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Crazyace718 Apr 29, 2009 8:50 pm

TSA to replace NYPD?
 
I read about this a few days ago. What do you guys think?

http://www2.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/loc...way_Bag_Checks

gj83 Apr 29, 2009 8:58 pm


Plus the union says searching bags in a subway could turn "dangerous and deadly," which TSA screeners aren't trained or armed to handle.
So...pretty much if it's not shampoo or toothpaste the TSA is SOL.

Global_Hi_Flyer Apr 29, 2009 9:01 pm

The Ministry of Love expands it's reach.

In other words, they have way too much money on their hands.

Crazyace718 Apr 29, 2009 9:05 pm


Originally Posted by gj83 (Post 11668480)
So...pretty much if it's not shampoo or toothpaste the TSA is SOL.

Pretty much, if its dangerous you call a LEO. There is always supposed to be a LEO with them so I'm really not sure what the issue is. Then again people are a lot more volatile on the streets than the airport. A guy shot 2 cops after they caught him jumping the turnstile imagine if a cop and those TSOs approached him at random.

Trollkiller Apr 29, 2009 10:27 pm


Originally Posted by Crazyace718 (Post 11668515)
Pretty much, if its dangerous you call a LEO. There is always supposed to be a LEO with them so I'm really not sure what the issue is. Then again people are a lot more volatile on the streets than the airport. A guy shot 2 cops after they caught him jumping the turnstile imagine if a cop and those TSOs approached him at random.

I am wondering by what authority they are doing this under. (statute)

If they have the statutory authority then it looks like it would be just another administrative search. I wonder what the limitations are on the search.

triehle Apr 29, 2009 10:33 pm


Originally Posted by gj83 (Post 11668480)
So...pretty much if it's not shampoo or toothpaste the TSA is SOL.

The real danger to TSA: When Curtis Sliwa hears they're muscling in on his turf.

NYC Subways: No Place for Amateurs

N830MH Apr 29, 2009 10:53 pm


Originally Posted by triehle (Post 11668880)
The real danger to TSA: When Curtis Sliwa hears they're muscling in on his turf.

NYC Subways: No Place for Amateurs

I am wondered why TSA will be leaving from JFK due to financial costly. So I think it would be too much time TSA is wasting the taxpayers. So I think it would be replacement back to non-federalization. I think NYPD will have training to be improvable better aviation security and NYPD is taking more responsibilities for passengers screening at checkpoint.

ralfp Apr 30, 2009 2:26 am


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 11668869)
I am wondering by what authority they are doing this under. (statute)

If they have the statutory authority then it looks like it would be just another administrative search. I wonder what the limitations are on the search.

Could one just say "No" to a search and keep on going? With a LEO one could be charged with a failure to obey a "lawful" order. With a TSO, well, [thumbs nose].

Will the TSOs be partnered with LEOs? What law gives cops the authority to order you to submit to a search by some random federal employee?

Spiff Apr 30, 2009 6:50 am

"The Patrolmen's Benevolent Association is blasting the plan, saying despite the city's financial crisis the city needs to hire more cops. According to the PBA, the city has 4,000 fewer cops on the street than it did in 2001."

No, idiot. This means that the subway bag harassment needs to be terminated. It's a stupid program that is a clear infringement on civil liberties and the Fourth Amendment.

havetoshop Apr 30, 2009 7:01 am

At my home station there was a table with 3 NYPD set up two evenings (6PM ish)in a row last week. They were not checking anyone's bags and just standing around.

My station for work is Rockefeller Center and about once every two months there is the same set-up. Have never seen a bag checked once. Including mine- which is a medium size totebag.

A total waste of time and resources.

doober Apr 30, 2009 8:22 am


Originally Posted by ralfp (Post 11669386)
Could one just say "No" to a search and keep on going? With a LEO one could be charged with a failure to obey a "lawful" order. With a TSO, well, [thumbs nose].

I don't think you can do that, but you can turn around and leave the station.

txrus Apr 30, 2009 8:48 am


Originally Posted by havetoshop (Post 11669944)
At my home station there was a table with 3 NYPD set up two evenings (6PM ish)in a row last week. They were not checking anyone's bags and just standing around.

My station for work is Rockefeller Center and about once every two months there is the same set-up. Have never seen a bag checked once. Including mine- which is a medium size totebag.

A total waste of time and resources.

What used to amuse me the most, when I lived in BOS & rode the T every day, was that when the T police would do something like this, they never started much before 8am (& long after I was in my office). I guarantee you somewhere there is a tewwowist who is an early morning person :p

MusicManSamwise Apr 30, 2009 9:15 am


Originally Posted by doober (Post 11670367)
I don't think you can do that, but you can turn around and leave the station.

And, since many stations in the NYC system have multiple entrances, just find a different one and go through that.

Heck, even if there is only one entrance (and you happen to be a suicide bomber who wants to succeed, not saying you are doober, of course), just walk 8-10 blocks over to the next stop with no bag checks and get on there.

Just like the TSA, a complete waste of money and resources for feel-good security theater. :td:

N965VJ Apr 30, 2009 10:31 am


Originally Posted by MyFoxNY.com
Because of the police officer shortage, the NYPD needs to take these police officers and put them on the street to fight crime.

In other words, NYPD will focus on real threats, and let the TSA waste taxpayer money for security theatre.

coachrowsey Apr 30, 2009 1:17 pm

The TSA is not NYPD. They are biting off more than they can chew & will get themselves killed on the NY streets & subways. I can't post what I would tell one of them:D


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