Confessions of a Security Manager
#31
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Originally Posted by castrobenes View Post
i can tell you that i would end the bdo program (and other specialized teams) as a separate entity and incorporate some of the training into passenger screening training.
I would pay more to work at high traffic airports.
I would insist on a physical fitness standard for screening officers.
I would require that the promotion process includes service at high traffic airports.
I would alter the federal leave policies so that they were specifically designed for the tsa. We need to stop pretending we are office workers, and acknowledge we work in the travel industry.
Castro benes
i can tell you that i would end the bdo program (and other specialized teams) as a separate entity and incorporate some of the training into passenger screening training.
I would pay more to work at high traffic airports.
I would insist on a physical fitness standard for screening officers.
I would require that the promotion process includes service at high traffic airports.
I would alter the federal leave policies so that they were specifically designed for the tsa. We need to stop pretending we are office workers, and acknowledge we work in the travel industry.
Castro benes
#33
Our company was not awarded the contract, but it certainly appears today that many screeners working today would not be able to pass that physical exam. Something must have changed between the original concept and how it was implemented.
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During the years 2001 - 2002 I worked for a firm that put in a bid to do mass hiring for TSA. As a physician, I was asked to set up the part of our proposal that involved designating qualified (occupational health) physicians nationwide to do "law enforcement physicals" as part of the screening/hiring process. The physical fitness requirements were quite rigorous with regard to BMI (Body mass Index, as a check for obesity), strength, agility, flexibility and endurance.
Our company was not awarded the contract, but it certainly appears today that many screeners working today would not be able to pass that physical exam. Something must have changed between the original concept and how it was implemented.
Our company was not awarded the contract, but it certainly appears today that many screeners working today would not be able to pass that physical exam. Something must have changed between the original concept and how it was implemented.
#36
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Some examples of what I mean. The SOP requires that shoes be placed sole down on the belt without anything inside of them in order to get the best X-Ray image. Many passengers like stuffing things inside their shoes or want to jam all of their belongings into one bin. At some airports, screeners will rigorously adhere to the TSA standard and separate passenger items so that the X-Ray operator gets the best image possible. However at any particular airport, many X-Ray operators or loaders ignore the requirement. And the reason is that at the largest airports or at the busiest times, TSA screeners could spend all of their time and energy just rearranging passenger bins. And the result would be that passenger throughput would slow to a crawl.
TSA employees are very inconsistent from one location to another.
I will comment on the issue you brought up, that one should not jam all the items in one bin. Sometimes there aren't enough bins available. At times the request for, more bins is met by yelling, put it all in one bin. I don't want to pout my shoes in the same bin as mother things, especially, not my medicines or my insulin supplies. It's a surprise to me that TSA requires using separate bins for various items. Not long ago, I had to go through secondary as I had a knee brace with metal supports. When a screener was assigned to me to do the secondary screening, he piled my cell phone, shoes, my glasses, my watch, my less than 3 ounce stuff plastic baggies and my insulin stuff and my medicines in the same bin. When I protested, he replied, "I have got only two hands" As I see it, the biggest problem with the TSA is that they seem travellers as adversaries, not as people who deserve respect.
#37
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Yaatri, get off it! We ALL know TSA's WRITTEN pledge of Dignity and Respect for Passengers. It's right there in their Mission Statement (down on at least ONE knee, peon!) and that means YOU and ME!
Sorry 'bout that, castrobenes. I haven't been physically criminalized by the TSA since I stopped flying.
Welcome to Flyer Talk, castrobenes! Considering whom you have chosen to work for, wear a cup...
Sorry 'bout that, castrobenes. I haven't been physically criminalized by the TSA since I stopped flying.
Welcome to Flyer Talk, castrobenes! Considering whom you have chosen to work for, wear a cup...
#38
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Castrobenes and Bart,
Perhaps you can answer my questions from a previous post.
What exactly is going to happen on May 1st with Secure Flight?
Is TSA really going to refuse passengers whose name on their boarding pass and passport/drivers license do not match word for word, letter for letter? For example passport reads "Robert Thomas Johnson" and boarding pass reads "Robert T Johnson", "R Thomas Johnson", "Bob Johnson", etc.
If so, isn't this going to cause a mess since the airlines refuse to change the PNR to correct the name discrepancy after ticketing?
Perhaps you can answer my questions from a previous post.
What exactly is going to happen on May 1st with Secure Flight?
Is TSA really going to refuse passengers whose name on their boarding pass and passport/drivers license do not match word for word, letter for letter? For example passport reads "Robert Thomas Johnson" and boarding pass reads "Robert T Johnson", "R Thomas Johnson", "Bob Johnson", etc.
If so, isn't this going to cause a mess since the airlines refuse to change the PNR to correct the name discrepancy after ticketing?
#39
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Castro:
Thanks for the thoughtful and detailed post. Whilst all of your suggestions are good ones, you miss many of the key problems people have with the TSA:
1) the war on liquids, shoe carnival and kippie bags; the 'barkers', SPOTters, and the spontaneously generating new rules are only part of it
2) the ID requirement. Getting rid of it would get rid of the rid of all the confusing, conflicting information about what is a "government ID"
3) mission creep -- drugs, cash, headless torsos and anything else that doesn't pose a threat to airline safety should be ignored as a matter of policy
4) the no-fly and selectee lists, which as the recent AF and the Cat Stevens incidents (amongst numerous others) demonstrate are being used for political -- not security -- purposes. The complete lack of common sense in their enforcement -- police ordering a mother to "step away" from her 5-year child because his name was on the no-fly list -- makes them as ridiculous as they are offensive
5) lack of accountability -- TSA's efforts to prevent people from filing complaints, their refusal to respond to complaints when filed, Bob and the PV team's evasive or non-existent answers to reasonable questions, Kip and Chertoff's declining invitations to congressional hearing on TSA problems as a matter of course
I know that all of this is beyond your control, but my point is that MOST of the problems are not with the front-line guys
Thanks for the thoughtful and detailed post. Whilst all of your suggestions are good ones, you miss many of the key problems people have with the TSA:
1) the war on liquids, shoe carnival and kippie bags; the 'barkers', SPOTters, and the spontaneously generating new rules are only part of it
2) the ID requirement. Getting rid of it would get rid of the rid of all the confusing, conflicting information about what is a "government ID"
3) mission creep -- drugs, cash, headless torsos and anything else that doesn't pose a threat to airline safety should be ignored as a matter of policy
4) the no-fly and selectee lists, which as the recent AF and the Cat Stevens incidents (amongst numerous others) demonstrate are being used for political -- not security -- purposes. The complete lack of common sense in their enforcement -- police ordering a mother to "step away" from her 5-year child because his name was on the no-fly list -- makes them as ridiculous as they are offensive
5) lack of accountability -- TSA's efforts to prevent people from filing complaints, their refusal to respond to complaints when filed, Bob and the PV team's evasive or non-existent answers to reasonable questions, Kip and Chertoff's declining invitations to congressional hearing on TSA problems as a matter of course
I know that all of this is beyond your control, but my point is that MOST of the problems are not with the front-line guys
#40
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Articulate and immaculately nutshellized, polonius. I might disagree with your final statement, however, inasmuch as the front line guys are the instrumentation of this outrage. They are the interface we, as paxs, encounter. They are what make the disaster of TSA "go" at full speed right into the face of What We Hold Dear as Americans and must be made aware of that fact, witless as some (most?) may be.
A parallel might be "Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people," in which case the TSOs are the bullets. Directly responsible for the dirty part of the mayhem but ultimately not in charge of being aimed or fired.
Yet, I posit that in this case the "bullets" most certainly have a choice as to whether or not to enter the dark chamber to be used by VERY questionable gunslingers, such as the ones you mention in point 5.
A parallel might be "Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people," in which case the TSOs are the bullets. Directly responsible for the dirty part of the mayhem but ultimately not in charge of being aimed or fired.
Yet, I posit that in this case the "bullets" most certainly have a choice as to whether or not to enter the dark chamber to be used by VERY questionable gunslingers, such as the ones you mention in point 5.
#41
Join Date: Apr 2009
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Castro:
Thanks for the thoughtful and detailed post. Whilst all of your suggestions are good ones, you miss many of the key problems people have with the TSA:
1) the war on liquids, shoe carnival and kippie bags; the 'barkers', SPOTters, and the spontaneously generating new rules are only part of it
Thanks for the thoughtful and detailed post. Whilst all of your suggestions are good ones, you miss many of the key problems people have with the TSA:
1) the war on liquids, shoe carnival and kippie bags; the 'barkers', SPOTters, and the spontaneously generating new rules are only part of it
2) the ID requirement. Getting rid of it would get rid of the rid of all the confusing, conflicting information about what is a "government ID"
3) mission creep -- drugs, cash, headless torsos and anything else that doesn't pose a threat to airline safety should be ignored as a matter of policy
4) the no-fly and selectee lists, which as the recent AF and the Cat Stevens incidents (amongst numerous others) demonstrate are being used for political -- not security -- purposes. The complete lack of common sense in their enforcement -- police ordering a mother to "step away" from her 5-year child because his name was on the no-fly list -- makes them as ridiculous as they are offensive
5) lack of accountability -- TSA's efforts to prevent people from filing complaints, their refusal to respond to complaints when filed, Bob and the PV team's evasive or non-existent answers to reasonable questions, Kip and Chertoff's declining invitations to congressional hearing on TSA problems as a matter of course
As for Kip and Chertoff, no one here can answer that. You would have to ask them directly. Good luck with that, please bring any answers you get back here so that we can review them.
I know that all of this is beyond your control, but my point is that MOST of the problems are not with the front-line guys
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Hi-la-ri-ous...
When's your next show? I'd like to attend. If you can do a 30 minute set full of things like this, you have a bright future in stand up comedy.
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Care to explain how the whopper about transporting >$10,000 in cash being illegal, yes, just flat out illegal, managed to slip by this crack TSA EOS blog vetting?




