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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 11:22 am
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Got a python in your bra?

Front page story in the Palm Beach Post this morning about the more than 40,000 items "intercepted" by the TSA in S.Florida airports within the past year. Reads like a DHS press release: ""We know for a fact that people are testing the system," said Sari Koshetz, a Miami-based TSA spokeswoman.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localne...ity.html?imw=Y
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 12:23 pm
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As much as the TSA likes to tout the guns they find this quote was what got my attention.

Agents also caught 13,379 people with knives less than 3 inches long and 2,994 with longer knives.
Almost all of the knives are someones pocket knife, most likely they forgot to take it off their key chain or out of their purse. When they provide the statistics on "Red Team" tests then we'll know how effective they actually are.

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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 2:36 pm
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So 41% of all items siezed in South Florida are knives. That seems unusually high, although, I have no idea what proportion of knives are siezed elsewhere.

It just seems really high.
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 2:41 pm
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"and the secret service wrestled the python to the ground"* and held it at bay with a 2 1/2 inch pocket knife until the department of animal control arrived.



*it's a 70's thing....
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 2:54 pm
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Originally Posted by pbjag
Reads like a DHS press release: ""We know for a fact that people are testing the system," said Sari Koshetz, a Miami-based TSA spokeswoman.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localne...ity.html?imw=Y
Yep, that's the phrase du jour for the TSA. Didn't we read the same comment on PV just recently or was it in another article on all the stuff they find?
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 3:00 pm
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So much is wrong with that article, but I will just elaborate on one aspect:

Citing security reasons, Koshetz would not provide specifics of any Palm Beach County arrests or incidents in which officials detected defensive systems being tested.
First, the TSA could truthfully say that any passenger hiding a 3.5 bottle of liquid in his pocket is testing the system. But that person is not testing the system in order to effect a terrorist act - he just wants to avoid being hampered by an idiotic rule. So while the TSA can make this a truthful statement, I doubt that very many interpret this as other than bad guys are constantly probing our layers of security.

Second, one should be very concerned if arrests have been made for these probing activities, yet the TSA is utilizing security reasons for not disclosing them. We do not have a Star Chamber in this country, so why isn't disclosure forthcoming - perhaps because these arrests are not what she portrays them to be? After all, the TSA is out in front in publicizing the incidents that have resulted in arrests at its screening checkpoints (even if it later turns out to be incorrect).

And if officials are detecting persons testing the system for nefarious reasons, then those officials should be able to come up with some charge to arrest those persons.

Once again, all hat and no cattle.


Officials there also came up with two alligator heads. One gator head, in a checked bag, was allowed to continue on its way. The other, meant for carry-on, was confiscated.
I didn't know a rule existed that alligator heads are okay to be checked, but not for carry-on. Must be those sharp teeth.
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 3:28 pm
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Originally Posted by ND Sol
Second, one should be very concerned if arrests have been made for these probing activities, yet the TSA is utilizing security reasons for not disclosing them. We do not have a Star Chamber in this country, so why isn't disclosure forthcoming - perhaps because these arrests are not what she portrays them to be? After all, the TSA is out in front in publicizing the incidents that have resulted in arrests at its screening checkpoints (even if it later turns out to be incorrect).
I think that the TSA would say that they do not arrest anyone and only turn offenders over to law enforcement and that actual arrest statistics would be known to law enforcement only.

Also I think that it is important to note that TSA does not turn every offender over to law enforcement and more often than not simply allows you to ensure that the object does not enter the sterile area. If you wish to mail it or surrender it the choice is yours. Now the TSA's venturing into searching for other things, Drugs and Money, I have no idea how they justify that.

Finally, we all know that people are "testing" the TSA. Half of you on this board are testing the TSA. Two weeks ago the DHS show showed a college student trying to outsmart the rules and test the TSA. The Red Team tests are ongoing and I am not sure how the realeas of the details of their reports would help our security. I think that it is embarrasing enough for the TSA that the red team is as successful as they are.
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 3:47 pm
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Originally Posted by pbjag
Got a python in your bra?
There can of course be innocent explanations

http://www.bbc.co.uk/norfolk/content..._feature.shtml

This is vaguely aviation related since:
the animal in question can fly
the lady in question works at Holiday Inn at Norwich International Airport
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 5:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Paolo01
I think that the TSA would say that they do not arrest anyone and only turn offenders over to law enforcement and that actual arrest statistics would be known to law enforcement only.
But that is not what the TSA spokesperson said. She said that for security reasons she could not disclose arrests and that is greatly troubling. I realize that the TSA does not effect arrests, but don't you think the TSA would know if an arrest results in a conviction for terrorist activity?

Originally Posted by Paolo01
The Red Team tests are ongoing and I am not sure how the realeas of the details of their reports would help our security. I think that it is embarrasing enough for the TSA that the red team is as successful as they are.
If more people knew about the TSA faults, then perhaps action would be demanded to remedy the ineffectiveness. It can be done, but the TSA demands to hide behind the cloak of secrecy when it appears the primary reason is due to its inability to meet its mission requirements.
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 6:32 pm
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On the one hand:
Originally Posted by Palm Beach Post Article
In a back room at Palm Beach International Airport recently, a table piled high with knives of all sizes, power drills, torch lighters, nunchakus and brass knuckles — you name it — attested to just two weeks of interceptions by checkpoint officers.

The TSA says agents have intercepted more than 40,000 prohibited items at South Florida's three major airports in the past year, including 14,091 items at Palm Beach International Airport — almost 40 a day.
On the other hand:
Originally Posted by Self-aggrandizing TSA website
TSA Week at a Glance (February 23 - March 1, 2009)
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* 16 firearms found at checkpoints
* 3 artfully concealed prohibited items found at checkpoints
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40 a day at a single airport, but 3 in a (typical) week for the whole country. Having trouble with numbers again, are we???

(TSA hasn't been screwing with the banking sector, have they? That would explain a lot! )

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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 9:03 pm
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Originally Posted by RadioGirl
40 a day at a single airport, but 3 in a (typical) week for the whole country. Having trouble with numbers again, are we???
"Artfully concealed" would be the terminology wherein it makes the difference. I've personally stopped an untold number of knives of every size from going through the security checkpoint over the past six and a half years. Only one of them has ever been artfully concealed.
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 9:30 pm
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Originally Posted by beardedgeologist
There can of course be innocent explanations

http://www.bbc.co.uk/norfolk/content..._feature.shtml

This is vaguely aviation related since:
the animal in question can fly
the lady in question works at Holiday Inn at Norwich International Airport
She wears a 34FF bra, I amazed she even figured out that there was something in there besides her.
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 10:17 pm
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Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean
"Artfully concealed" would be the terminology wherein it makes the difference. I've personally stopped an untold number of knives of every size from going through the security checkpoint over the past six and a half years. Only one of them has ever been artfully concealed.
That makes for a really small proportion that are considered "artfully concealed", whereas the media coverage (presumably based on TSA statements) gives the impression that people are going to great lengths to sneak things past:

If there's a python in your bra...

Don't carry a cane with a concealed sword. ... Brass knuckles disguised as belt buckles...

...baby carriages that conceal firearms.
And especially everyone's favourite line:
"We know for a fact that people are testing the system,"
Not much of a "test" if someone just forgets their keyring penknife. Or maybe it is.
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 1:37 pm
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Originally Posted by pbjag
"We know for a fact that people are testing the system," said Sari Koshetz, a Miami-based TSA spokeswoman.
Aww, it's so cute, she thinks she's important!

If I had to bet on the TSA or a terrorist, I know which one I'd put my money on to outsmart the other.

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